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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: Robin on November 03, 2019, 04:27:42 PM

Title: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: Robin on November 03, 2019, 04:27:42 PM
Why no Flaming pigs (Expendables)
Anti Elephant Waggons (War Waggons)
??????
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: mad lemmey on November 03, 2019, 09:06:30 PM
Agreed
Also Hausa Kingdoms should have stampeded cattle. ;)
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: lionheartrjc on November 04, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Robin on November 03, 2019, 04:27:42 PM
Why no Flaming pigs (Expendables)
Anti Elephant Waggons (War Waggons)
??????

Simply because they were a specific anti-elephant device, didn't work and are more appropriate for scenario games. 
Guess I could add:

SPECIAL RULE:  Flaming Pigs.  Poor, Tribal Loose, Infantry, Unprotected, Expendables, Combat Shy.  Only effective against Elephant units.
Anti-elephant wagons with escorts:  Average, Chariot, Protected, Formed Close, Experienced, Javelin, Long Spear. Moves at War Wagon speeds, cannot evade. 
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: AntiokosIII on November 04, 2019, 05:43:47 PM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on November 04, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Robin on November 03, 2019, 04:27:42 PM
Why no Flaming pigs (Expendables)
Anti Elephant Waggons (War Waggons)
??????

Simply because they were a specific anti-elephant device, didn't work and are more appropriate for scenario games. 
Guess I could add:

SPECIAL RULE:  Flaming Pigs.  Poor, Tribal Loose, Infantry, Unprotected, Expendables, Combat Shy.  Only effective against Elephant units.
Anti-elephant wagons with escorts:  Average, Chariot, Protected, Formed Close, Experienced, Javelin, Long Spear. Moves at War Wagon speeds, cannot evade.

I fully understand, and do not disagree with, the arguments against including flaming pigs; but they would look SO COOL! If they were in the list, it would surely be worth a few points just to bring home the bacon!
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: nikgaukroger on November 04, 2019, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on November 04, 2019, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: Robin on November 03, 2019, 04:27:42 PM
Why no Flaming pigs (Expendables)
Anti Elephant Waggons (War Waggons)
??????

Simply because they were a specific anti-elephant device, didn't work and are more appropriate for scenario games. 
Guess I could add:

SPECIAL RULE:  Flaming Pigs.  Poor, Tribal Loose, Infantry, Unprotected, Expendables, Combat Shy.  Only effective against Elephant units.
Anti-elephant wagons with escorts:  Average, Chariot, Protected, Formed Close, Experienced, Javelin, Long Spear. Moves at War Wagon speeds, cannot evade.

Look suitably rubbish  8)
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: Robin on November 04, 2019, 05:51:02 PM
It's a gimmick but could be colourful and fun.
Title: Re: Early Roman's Pyrhis lists
Post by: lionheartrjc on November 05, 2019, 10:51:59 AM
Found out that flaming pigs were also used by the Megarans against Antigonus Gonatus in 262 BCE.  Gonatus actually kept Pigs with his elephants to get them used to the squealing.