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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: lionheartrjc on October 22, 2019, 08:11:05 AM

Title: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: lionheartrjc on October 22, 2019, 08:11:05 AM
Had a situation yesterday that was a bit unusual.  I declared a charge on a SuG of cavalry.  My opponent intercepted.  I assume that the SuG originally charged is no longer the target of a charge so doesn't have to Run Away or Skirmish and can then make a prompted action in the Movement Phase.  I just think the rules could be slightly clearer on this point.

Richard
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: nikgaukroger on October 22, 2019, 10:56:33 AM
In RJC's example the skirmishers are the target of the initial charge declaration and have not declared one themselves so has not made a prompted action.
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: Rino on October 22, 2019, 11:03:33 AM
Indeed, truly tired these days.
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on October 22, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
My intent is actually as written:  they make a response. 

I felt the threat of heavies is enough to drive them some distance away. And in reality the sequencing is all simultaneous - the interceptor doesn't really get to move first.

The only difference from an intercept or countercharge is that the path of charge has changed a interceptors are in the way so tit may not go within 1BW.  So they may not be able to shoot as part of it.

Si
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: lionheartrjc on October 22, 2019, 06:27:31 PM
So if the target of the charge was a TuG, not a SuG - it cam choose to stand.   Can it them make a prompted action in the Movement Phase? 

Richard
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on October 23, 2019, 01:17:55 PM
Can you expand the scenario a bit as not too clear.

Si
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: lionheartrjc on October 23, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
Similar to my first scenario,  but a cavalry TuG is the target of a charge.  Another cavalry TuG makes an intercept move preventing the enemy TuG from contacting the original target.  According to your ruling above, the first cavalry TuG is still considered a target of the charge, but it could choose to stand.  Can it then make a prompted action in the movement phase (or is it restricted to the 2BW straight forward/back available to any UG that Skirmishes/Runs Away)?

Richard
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on October 23, 2019, 06:00:40 PM
Ah yes.
It can choose to stand and then has not made an action to is free to move.

S
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: Lanceflint on October 24, 2019, 12:22:26 AM
That's good, because that's what I have always played in the rare occasions it happens.
A bit of clarification would help though.
Lance.
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: nikgaukroger on October 24, 2019, 09:05:55 AM
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on October 22, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
My intent is actually as written:  they make a response. 

I felt the threat of heavies is enough to drive them some distance away. And in reality the sequencing is all simultaneous - the interceptor doesn't really get to move first.

The only difference from an intercept or countercharge is that the path of charge has changed a interceptors are in the way so tit may not go within 1BW.  So they may not be able to shoot as part of it.

Si


As charge responses are decided and actioned after countercharges and intercepts in the move sequence I suggest it would be a useful clarification to say that the response is based on where the units were, and who was a target of the charge, at the point that the charge is declared i.e. 2.2 and 2.3 in the sequence (which I believe is your intention) as at the point where the decision is made, 2.5 in the sequence, a unit may no longer be contactable due to a countercharge or intercept 2.4 in the sequence (hence RJC's question).

I will do so.  The rules say "charged by", nothing about making contact  ;)
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: marshalney2000 on October 24, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
I agree with you, Nik. Loved your multiple paragraph references. Sounds like you are just the man to explain the Brexit withdrawal agreement.
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: AntiokosIII on October 24, 2019, 09:25:06 PM
Quote from: marshalney2000 on October 24, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
I agree with you, Nik. Loved your multiple paragraph references. Sounds like you are just the man to explain the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

@Marshalney- this is likely accurate, but a cruel thing to say nevertheless!
Title: Re: Intercepts and Targest of Charges
Post by: marshalney2000 on October 24, 2019, 10:03:50 PM
I could have been more hurtful and called him the MEG Jacob Rees Mogg but that would be just going too far.