is charge direction limited by the space between protagonists. IE if they are 1mm apart they cant wheel. Or is any direction of charge (up to 90 degrees off course) allowable regardless of the distance separating UGs.
TIA
HH
From the clarries:
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Wheels when charging
In addition to the 90 limit, troops can only wheel as much as physically possible at the time of a charge being declared.
Simples :)
Does this also imply (as we play) that if a unit cannot fit through to get to its end point, but that it would fit at the end of its move - then it cannot get there in the first place.
in the case for example of a gap of less than 2UD when trying to wheel in between other units.
Quote from: stuuk on May 22, 2019, 07:14:00 PM
Does this also imply (as we play) that if a unit cannot fit through to get to its end point, but that it would fit at the end of its move - then it cannot get there in the first place.
in the case for example of a gap of less than 2UD when trying to wheel in between other units.
I don't think the wheeling implies anything else, but whilst chargers can reduce frontage by 1BW to get past friends as long as they can end up in a legal formation, they cannot reduce that frontage to less than 2BW. So if the gap is less than 2BW then it cannot charge (except for Forced Chargers bursting through friends).
Richard
Indeed.
It also has a nice effect I like which is that if a SuG is prepared to come really close it can contain the direction of charge and buy time.
It cannot however dictate anything in the movement phase, so it only buys time as the TuG repositions is direction by pushing the enemy SuG back.
Going very close of course risks the SuG being caught and makes it hard for it to skirmish to good effect.... unless LH vs Infantry.
A nice game feature and trade off IMHO.
Choices, choices .... key to a good game.
Si
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 22, 2019, 08:19:28 PM
Quote from: stuuk on May 22, 2019, 07:14:00 PM
Does this also imply (as we play) that if a unit cannot fit through to get to its end point, but that it would fit at the end of its move - then it cannot get there in the first place.
in the case for example of a gap of less than 2UD when trying to wheel in between other units.
I don't think the wheeling implies anything else, but whilst chargers can reduce frontage by 1BW to get past friends as long as they can end up in a legal formation, they cannot reduce that frontage to less than 2BW. So if the gap is less than 2BW then it cannot charge (except for Forced Chargers bursting through friends).
Richard
Hy,
In january 2019, during IWC, Simon told us and showed by manipulating units, that during the charge phase, a unit could reduce frontage even go to be only 1 BW large or 5 bases deep if it had to do so to squeeze trough a narrow gap in order to reach it's target . The player had to correct this illegal formation as soon as possible : during movement turn.
Olivier Jouclas was also there and remembers it.
I raise the point because the discussion just started on the french forum .
So what is SIMON's final decision on that point ?
We went through this a bit back, and if Si said you can go down to 1 BW he got it wrong. Alas this can happen when decisions have to be made in a comp and should not be taken as precedence.
I can also tell you from personal experience that rules writers are often unreliable oracles as you tend to hold in your memory all the ideas that never made it as well as the actual rules :o :P
Don't recall ever saying you could reduce to 1BW, only by 1 BW.
Always been a minimum of 2BW frontal width.
Si
Well Simon, .I confirm you said it . But from what you write now , the official line is you must stay in an normal acceptable formation so 2 BW wide
Like it says in the rules ;D
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on June 03, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
Don't recall ever saying you could reduce to 1BW, only by 1 BW.
Always been a minimum of 2BW frontal width.
Si
You need to lay off the calvados Si.
Quote from: badhabum on June 03, 2019, 07:31:41 PM
Well Simon, .I confirm you said it . But from what you write now , the official line is you must stay in an normal acceptable formation so 2 BW wide
I will bow to multiple memories better than mine.
Certainly wasn't my intention to drop us below legal formation or what is specified in the rules.
But never easy when concentrating on playing and umpiring and demoing without a break.
And could have been the Leffe dark!
Si
Quote from: Hunter on June 03, 2019, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on June 03, 2019, 03:08:56 PM
Don't recall ever saying you could reduce to 1BW, only by 1 BW.
Always been a minimum of 2BW frontal width.
Si
You need to lay off the calvados Si.
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