Hello,
Here is the situation (see pics for added clarity) where all UGs are assumed to be at full strenth in Figure 1 :
- Charge declaration : TUG B frontally charges TUG X
- Charge combat : TUG B, thanks to Shatter, kills 3 out of 6 bases of TUG X, while TUG X inflicts one wound in return
- Shooting : TUG A, shooting at the supporting file of TUG X, inflicts a wound that is enough to rout TUG X
- Pursuit (during shooting phase) : TUG B (still carrying a wound from the charge combat) impacts TUG Y in the flank
The way I read the rules is that a contact during a pursuit is treated as a charge, and that as it did not happen during charge phase, it must be resolved during the charge phase of the next turn. OK, clear and understood.
But given that this happens during the shooting phase, one could argue that, during the Movement Phase and/or Melee Phase of the same turn as the pursuit, the player controlling TUG Y could prompt MF1 to turn the bases that were contacted, although Charge combat has not happened yet, meaning that this combat would be treated differently (and unfairly) compared to a flank pursuit happening at the end of Melee Phase.
Also, could the player controlling TUG B remove the wound carried from the charge combat at the end of the turn of the pursuit ?
Best,
Antoine
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Nice question. I'm going to make 3 quick comments before I go away and check a couple of things about the meat of the question.
Pedantic point - in 3 the shooting would not have been at a "supporting file" as the bases shot at are not a supporting file as they aren't supporting anyone. I assume you are referring to it as such to make it clear who is being shot at :D
The last sub-phase in the Melee Phase (5.5) allows MF1 and MF2 moves so there is an opportunity for turning bases then as well as the Movement Phase.
No reason the wound cannot be removed in the Recovery sub-phase (6.1).
I have a nagging feeling I am forgetting something here but as far as I am aware the contacted UG could react with MF moves.
I assume if I have forgotten something RJC will correct me 8)
Pursuit in the shooting phase is an unusual occurrence and I think was a bit overlooked when the rules were written - another example is 4.L.3 (PDF page 55) which states that if an UG pursues into a new enemy in the Fighting phase neither UG can break off until a combat has been fought which again leaves a pursuit in the Shooting phase unmentioned :(
I am pretty sure we had a discussion about whether MF1/MF2 moves should not be permitted until a round of combat had been fought.
I think the conclusion was that you could still do MF1 and MF2 moves, but the chargers that made contact during the shooting phase would still count their flank charge claims as they were in a flank charge position WHEN THE CHARGE WAS MOVED.
The wound can certainly be removed.
It is a very rare occurrence, so we decided against writing a whole set of specific rules to cover it as we felt it would create as many problems as it would solve.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on October 16, 2025, 03:28:30 PMI think the conclusion was that you could still do MF1 and MF2 moves, but the chargers that made contact during the shooting phase would still count their flank charge claims as they were in a flank charge position WHEN THE CHARGE WAS MOVED.
Bingo ;D
That'll be the bit that was nagging me. We
did discuss this and that was indeed the conclusion.
At least they won't still count as flanked in the melee.
QuoteIt is a very rare occurrence, so we decided against writing a whole set of specific rules to cover it as we felt it would create as many problems as it would solve.
You could just add that any pursuit making contact after charge phase and melee phase will be resolved during the next turn, charge phase . Any flank charge remaining a flank charge even if the flanked UG does use MF2 .
Perhaps it does not happen often, but it does happen so make it easy .
If it is a flank charge for the chargers what about the charge combat claims for the defender if the bases are turned to face the enemy. do these count ?
Quote from: Jilu on December 23, 2025, 09:28:37 AMIf it is a flank charge for the chargers what about the charge combat claims for the defender if the bases are turned to face the enemy. do these count ?
It is still a flank charge and claims that cannot be made except when fighting frontally do not count.
Richard