See 2026 Amendments News (https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3779.0).
Change "A replacement for a legendary general that has been killed only claims +1 in combat."
This change affects the replacement general if a legendary general is killed. The replacement cannot claim +2 for fighting in the front rank as a legendary general and instead claims the +1 as for any other type of general.
This clarifies (9:D page 110).
The change makes sense but under what context can a legendary general be killed? Any check on them is performed with a white dice so no skull. The only instance I know of where one can be killed is in Sohie where the general is automatically killed if the shrine protector unit is completely destroyed.
Testing for generals is based on their number of cards.
If a Legendary general (5 card) is Wounded - i.e. a Wound on the White dice when testing - they become a 4 card Legendary general. So if they subsequently test that test is now a Green die and so they can be killed with a Skull.
I once lost Achilles that way
Is the replacement after death not one quality lower than the killed general as it is ?
So the replacement of killed legendary is Talented, is it not already ?
Best,
Antoine
I think we maybe confused ourselves with what happens with a Wounded general :-[
Quote from: Princeps on September 14, 2025, 04:44:58 PMIs the replacement after death not one quality lower than the killed general as it is ?
So the replacement of killed legendary is Talented, is it not already ?
Best,
Antoine
A general who is wounded or killed loses 1-card (unless they are already a 2-card general). Technically they remain the type they started on. Personally, I think it is an unnecessary complication in the rules, but that is the way that it is written. So wound a 5-card legendary general and they become a 4-card legendary general. With the rules as they currently are, kill a 4-card legendary general and they become a 3-card legendary general. With the 2026 amendment, they would still be a 3-card general, but no longer legendary. I believe in one game, a legendary general was wounded three times before they were killed. After the third wound they were a 2-card legendary general!
I believe Antoine is referring to 9 D 1.3.6 as per this from the PDF:
(https://i.imgur.com/stoHzx4.png)
Says the replacement is 1 quality grade lower than previously.
The section below on wounded is where it talks about losing a card (which affects the die colour used for testing of course).
Which is why it all needs tidying up!
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 14, 2025, 07:08:06 PMA general who is wounded or killed loses 1-card (unless they are already a 2-card general). Technically they remain the type they started on. Personally, I think it is an unnecessary complication in the rules, but that is the way that it is written. So wound a 5-card legendary general and they become a 4-card legendary general. With the rules as they currently are, kill a 4-card legendary general and they become a 3-card legendary general. With the 2026 amendment, they would still be a 3-card general, but no longer legendary. I believe in one game, a legendary general was wounded three times before they were killed. After the third wound they were a 2-card legendary general!
Wouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?
Quote from: LawrenceG on September 15, 2025, 01:50:36 PMWouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?
NO! Which is why it needs tidying up.
Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 15, 2025, 04:13:01 PMQuote from: LawrenceG on September 15, 2025, 01:50:36 PMWouldn't a 2-card legendary general that dies be replaced by a 4 card Talented general?
NO! Which is why it needs tidying up.
Why would a such great commander pick such an incompetent 2nd in command?
If such a great commander is death, how can he pick his successor ?
Quote from: badhabum on September 16, 2025, 02:33:38 PMIf such a great commander is death, how can he pick his successor ?
Well, I suppose if it was Alexander, a 2 carder would equate to all the other generals fighting amongst themselves.
It is odd that if you kill a T general in a single blow (or an L in two blows), his successor is competent, but if he dies of accumulated wounds, his successor is mediocre.
Quote from: LawrenceG on September 17, 2025, 09:38:57 AMQuote from: badhabum on September 16, 2025, 02:33:38 PMIf such a great commander is death, how can he pick his successor ?
Well, I suppose if it was Alexander, a 2 carder would equate to all the other generals fighting amongst themselves.
It is odd that if you kill a T general in a single blow (or an L in two blows), his successor is competent, but if he dies of accumulated wounds, his successor is mediocre.
A fair comment. The whole wounding a general and reducing the number of cards is a bit artificial. If a wound wasn't serious enough to take a general out of the action then it probably wouldn't reduce the control of the army (which again is probably far greater than in our games than it was in history). The stun affect is probably more realistic, a temporary panic when it is uncertain if a leader has been killed or not.