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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: Dirkhrod on March 30, 2025, 03:33:41 PM

Title: Shatter / Shove for claims of 0
Post by: Dirkhrod on March 30, 2025, 03:33:41 PM
Hello,

A question about Devastating Chargers:

If I have an infantry unit with devastating chargers fighting against a unit with Charging Lancer, my bonus is 0. This is clear.
My question is, if I roll an S, do I still get Shatter or not ? As I understand it, it's just a 0 claim, but I should get shatter.

And generally, does a claim of 0 negate Shatter/Shove as well ? I am sure there are other similar situations.

Many Thanks,
Dan
Title: Re: Shatter / Shove for claims of 0
Post by: Princeps on March 30, 2025, 06:38:02 PM
Hello,

If you have a weapon that would give you Shatter (DC, CL or MPa), you get it even if the claim is reduced to 0 (for example foot DC vs Charging Lancer) or if the claim is cancelled (for example Charging Lancers vs standing to receive Long Spear).

A shatter is only cancelled if it is specifically written, so as far as I remember by Elephants or Shieldwall.

Best,
Antoine
Title: Re: Shatter / Shove for claims of 0
Post by: lionheartrjc on March 30, 2025, 07:17:07 PM
In addition to elephants and shieldwall, you cannot claim a shatter if you are not fighting to your front.  But having no claims doesn't prevent you having a shatter.
Title: Re: Shatter / Shove for claims of 0
Post by: Dirkhrod on March 31, 2025, 05:54:53 AM
Thank you !