Hello,
We just had a tournament in Romania this weekend and we have a couple of questions regarding the rules.
1. What happens if a skirmish move would take your unit into another enemy unit? (my skirmish move is supposed to be 5 BW after the rolls, the unit in front won't catch me, but at 4.5BW behind me there is an enemy unit)
2. Are skirmish rolls affected by terrain? (If it's a loose cavalry in rough ground do you do the variable distance roll starting from a 5BW move or a 3 BW move)
3. If there is a terrain piece (woods that block vision unless in 2BW of enemy UNITS) right in the middle of the table, that's only 1.5 BW in my own half. Is it possible to place an ambush there? (Given that the rules state that that I shouldn't be visible from anywhere in 2BW of the enemy table half)?
4. How does hiding army lists from my opponent in a tournament work? What information do you have to give your opponent before and during deployment? (How many units the army has? What type of generals? Can I ask to see his tray of miniatures?)
Thank you very much in advance
Hi,
Hope the tournament went well.
1. It stops just short of the enemy UG. This might result in it being caught and dispersed.
2. Yes. The Variable Move is applied to the Maximum Movement Distance for the appropriate terrain.
3. The ambush must not be visible from anywhere within the opponent's half of the table. So an ambush within a wood cannot be within 2BW of the opponent's half of the table.
4. Before deployment you must give the date and army list number of your army. Some, but not all, tournament organisers also require any allies and list specific options (i.e. nationality, theatre of war etc.) also to be specified. When deploying an UG you must specify all its characteristics, troop type, armour, quality, weapons, shooting skill and other characteristics. You do not need to indicate if an UG is allied or not. Generals are only declared when commands have been selected (the quality of the C-in-C will be determined from the opening dice roll colour!). It is good etiquette to bring the list (from the list sets) should your opponent wish to see it, and to bring your selected army list to verify the army you played with is correct after the game.
Tournament organisers may vary any of these guidelines (which are in the free introductory PDF) if they choose.
Hope that helps.
Richard
Thank you very much for your answers.
And a warm purple welcome aboard form me.
Si
Thank you very much Simon. And hopefuly our community can attend some international tournaments this year or next year.
I come back with one more question regarding the example in the file attached:
Unit A charges unit B, since Unit A started the turn in front of Unit B the combat does not count as a flank charge despite the fact that it contacts unit B in its flank.
Can Unit B use the option to align at the start of the movement phase? If so, how will it align?
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In this situation by the rules you generally cannot align as the front base in contact (for either UG) would move more than 1BW (PDF edition page 74, 6.C:5).
I say "by the rules" because in a friendly game or in a situation where it won't make any difference, I will align by moving one UG back and across so that it is lined up frontally against the other base in contact.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 14, 2024, 10:20:53 AM
In this situation by the rules you generally cannot align as the front base in contact (for either UG) would move more than 1BW (PDF edition page 74, 6.C:5).
I say "by the rules" because in a friendly game or in a situation where it won't make any difference, I will align by moving one UG back and across so that it is lined up frontally against the other base in contact.
Richard
However, note pdf 6.C.5.1 (my emphasis):
The 1BW restriction only applies to front rank bases in contact with an enemy UG. Any
other base movement cannot exceed 2BW.
Front rank bases in contact with an enemy
flank but not as a valid flank charge may ignore the 1BW restriction to align with the
front edge of the file contacted if all other restrictions are obeyed.
Thanks Lawrence,
I forgot that I had added this to allow for this sort of situation.
Richard
But in this case, wouldn't the bases of unit B have to pass over bases of unit A in order to align? Or is there no such restriction?
Given that unengaged bases can move 2 BW, does that mean unit B can just simply align with no issue?
Quote from: madmonkey on April 17, 2024, 09:30:49 AM
But in this case, wouldn't the bases of unit B have to pass over bases of unit A in order to align? Or is there no such restriction?
Given that unengaged bases can move 2 BW, does that mean unit B can just simply align with no issue?
There is no such restriction.
Yes.
Hello,
We just had another tournament in Bucharest (I'm quite happy about winning it with my thracian lowland + 3 highland allied contingents) and as with every tournament, we now have many questions about rules that we are not sure if we interpret them correctly.
1. If a SuG declares a charge on a SuG, then a TuG declares a charge on the SuG that declared the charge. Can the SuG that declared the charge have a charge reaction?
2. Regarding "engaging in melee when already in combat:
-does the contact between the TuGs have to be corner to corner (or can it be front to front)
-when does the alignment to engage in melee happen?
3. Can you use an MF1 action to start a combat with an enemy unit if you are at 0.5 BW away from it?
4. Do we measure when a broken TuG causes KaB tests on allied units from the point where they were broken, or from the point after doing a rout move?
5. If an infantry units is broken by a cavalry unit in frontal combat. And the infantry unit routs 3BW, does that mean that the cavalry units will also only pursuit 3BW instead of 5BW? (as it will stop in the infantry unit being pursued)
6. Do missle focused TuGs (that are not devastating chargers nor charging lancers) ever get free charges?
Sorry for having so many questions, most of which are probably very clear in the rulebook. But it always helps to make sure that we are playing correctly.
1. No, if the SuG is contacted by the TuG it will be destroyed. You have to be very cautious about charging with SuGs.
2. I am not sure I understand the question. If the TuGs were already in front-to-front contact then they would already be engaged in melee. This section applies in the Movement Phase. (This might need a topic by itself).
3. No. You can only use an MF1 or MF2 move if you are already in combat.
4. Point where they were broken.
5. Yes, the routers are only removed from the table AFTER the pursuit moves have been completed.
6. Only against enemy SuGs.
Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 23, 2024, 07:23:27 AM
6. Only against enemy SuGs.
I can't find this in the rules or errata. Could you point mw to where it says it?
Quote from: LawrenceG on April 23, 2024, 09:29:50 AM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 23, 2024, 07:23:27 AM
6. Only against enemy SuGs.
I can't find this in the rules or errata. Could you point mw to where it says it?
PDF edition Page 58 (5.C:4). Free charges * any UG with any charging lancers or devastating chargers that has an enemy SuG directly ahead within 3 BW.
I believe this is the only situation where a missile-focused TuG gets a free charge. (Okay, I should have mentioned the DC or CL!).
Richard
Hello! We just had another tournament and now we have another 2 questions:
1. If a unit that has not charged / was not charged makes a pursuit move on the charge phase, can it make any prompted action in the movement phase? (ex. it was engaged in combat with a unit that was charged and destroyed in the beginning of the turn).
2. In mixed TuGs if both entries have the option to take a certain characteristic can only one of the two take it? (ex. I want to mix in List 3205 Select fyrd with Great fyrd, can I only make the Great fyrd combat shy?) Also, if I take Hird with Select fyrd, can I downgrade the Select fyrd to poor without downgrading the Hird to average?
Thank you
Quote from: madmonkey on June 13, 2024, 10:20:20 AM
Hello! We just had another tournament and now we have another 2 questions:
1. If a unit that has not charged / was not charged makes a pursuit move on the charge phase, can it make any prompted action in the movement phase? (ex. it was engaged in combat with a unit that was charged and destroyed in the beginning of the turn).
short answer yes, with a caveat,
in the original clarifications for the hard back,
'
CAN YOU MOVE AFTER PURSUING IN A CHARGE OR SHOOTING PHASE? This is written as intended on Page 80 item 14. If it made a charge this turn it cannot make another Prompted Action other than those stated. If, however, it was in combat and caused its enemy to break, then it is free to make an action unless it must reform after combat (see Page 99 C2).' p99 equates p105 8.C2 in pdf edition
the intent appears to have been, if you reform and then pursue you may not take another prompted action in the movement phase. If you dont have to reform and then pursue you can take a prompted action in the movement phase.
does beg the question though that troop types like missile focused foot that never have to pursue , can reform and then make a prompted move, after all they did not pursue...
Quote from: madmonkey on June 13, 2024, 10:20:20 AM
2. In mixed TuGs if both entries have the option to take a certain characteristic can only one of the two take it? (ex. I want to mix in List 3205 Select fyrd with Great fyrd, can I only make the Great fyrd combat shy?) Also, if I take Hird with Select fyrd, can I downgrade the Select fyrd to poor without downgrading the Hird to average?
Thank you
covered at the start of each armylist pdf 'If any bases are downgraded all in the UG must be downgraded' means if you downgraded Hird to average, fyrd back rankss go down to poor.
also
'Unless specified otherwise, all elements in a UG must be classified identically. Unless specified otherwise, if an optional characteristic is
taken, it must be taken by all the elements in the UG for which that optional characteristic is available.'
you can make Great fyrd combat shy and not the Select fyrd as long as they do not also have that option .
regards
Matt
PDF page 105 8 C 2 and 3, combined with the only 1 prompted move stuff on page 38 are the rules references you need when looking at moves in the Movement phase after combat in the Charge phase.
(https://i.imgur.com/uwjoYeU.png)
Quote from: nikgaukroger on June 13, 2024, 11:55:50 AM
PDF page 105 8 C 2 and 3, combined with the only 1 prompted move stuff on page 38 are the rules references you need when looking at moves in the Movement phase after combat in the Charge phase.
(https://i.imgur.com/uwjoYeU.png)
Okay but what is there is no reform needed, as it stayed in legal formation. can it then move?
Quote from: Jilu on July 09, 2024, 10:51:13 AM
Okay but what is there is no reform needed, as it stayed in legal formation. can it then move?
As long as it meets all the other requirements that would allow it to make a prompted action, yes.
Richard
Hello! We are just having another tournament this weekend and we have a few questions (and we will surely have a few more after tomorrow):
1. A double move must remain more than 4BW away from my opponent. But if I pull a SuG that is in front of my TuG, does the pulled SuG have to also remain further than 4BW from my enemy?
2. Lsp Infantry have +2 vs Cv in 2 ranks, +1 vs others. Does it mean that if I have a Lsp infantry in 1 rank fighting cavalry it gets +0? Or does the +1 vs others apply?
3. We have this scenario from the diagram attached, where A2 contacts one of C's bases in front and one of B's bases in the flank (Let's say A is my unit, C & B are my opponents). Can my opponent always choose to have the hits from A2 directed to base C so that I never hit unit B's flank?
Thank you so much in advance
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1) The SuG must remain 4 BW away in a double move. The restriction applies to all UGs being moved.
2) The LSp must be in 2 ranks to get a combat claim.
3) Yes. If your opponent has two files onto your one, they choose which one fights. If you had a third file in UG A contacting C, then each file would fight. Note that it appears you cannot claim a flank contact on B unless you started the charge entirely behind the flank of the extended front edge of UG B.
Richard
Thank you so much!
LsP in magna seem to not be that strong against Cv.
We also have another question regarding alligning, when using the free allign of 1BW, is it possible to create a new file of combat, like the attached diagram?
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Yes. Long Spear standing to receive cancel quite a lot of cavalry factors. You may however want to review this topic https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3369.0 (https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3369.0).
It appears that the UGs are already aligned, so no.
Richard