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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: Rino on December 07, 2023, 12:15:38 PM

Title: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: Rino on December 07, 2023, 12:15:38 PM
Hi, I was listening to so account of the wars between the eastern Romans and bulgares, again and again they mentioned the Bulgarian palisades.
I can't see it on the list.
Why not including them?
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: lionheartrjc on December 07, 2023, 12:31:50 PM
An area where I don't have much knowledge.  Thanks, I'll look at it.

Richard
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 07, 2023, 04:24:02 PM
Quote from: Rino on December 07, 2023, 12:15:38 PM
Hi, I was listening to so account of the wars between the eastern Romans and bulgares, again and again they mentioned the Bulgarian palisades.
I can't see it on the list.
Why not including them?

Don't suppose the piece you listened to was in English? Be interested to hear it but with my complete lack of other languages  :(  it'd have to be in English alas.
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 07, 2023, 04:30:07 PM
The old WRG "Armies of the Dark Ages 600-1066" by Ian Heath mentions use of palisades to block of valleys to trap Byzantine forces.
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: Rino on December 08, 2023, 06:35:53 AM
For the video on YouTube
History March : https://youtu.be/6QSf2sZgPuM?si=oqfPSOD1Oe8Nt7FC
Army and general as well

In the old wrg they also mention it as you pointed out
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 08, 2023, 08:18:35 AM
Quote from: Rino on December 08, 2023, 06:35:53 AM
For the video on YouTube
History March : https://youtu.be/6QSf2sZgPuM?si=oqfPSOD1Oe8Nt7FC

Thanks.

Seen other things from that channel. Pretty good as introductions IMO, generally sound history (in the ones I've watched where I know something about it already anyway).
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: lionheartrjc on December 08, 2023, 10:09:49 AM
The question is really whether the palisades were used in battle or more as a campaign strategy.
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: daveparish on December 08, 2023, 10:39:57 AM
I always thought the Byzantines trying to break out was more like a Siege game than a straightforward battle. Would make a great scenario game
Title: Re: 3513 - first Bulgarian Empire - palisade
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 08, 2023, 10:49:18 AM
May well be the reason they haven't been included. When to include barricades in a list is a bit of a tricky one IMO.