Quote from: ShrubMiK on October 29, 2023, 09:51:45 AM
And I would hope we don't end up in a situation where e.g. two opposing units each break their frontal opponent and end up in only front corner to front corner contact; and then whoever moves first contacts the flank of the opponent and the opponent is denied a chance to respond effectively.
the author covered that in the last published clarifications
'CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file. NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away.
If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
Quote from: ShrubMiK on October 29, 2023, 09:51:45 AM
And I would hope we don't end up in a situation where e.g. two opposing units each break their frontal opponent and end up in only front corner to front corner contact; and then whoever moves first contacts the flank of the opponent and the opponent is denied a chance to respond effectively.
the author covered that in the last published clarifications
'CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file. NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
excuse me but I'm not sure to understand what happen when my TUG in the poursuing movement following a melee phase, contact with his front the flank of a new enemy and the combat will be resolved in the next charge phase?? what I read above seems not cover this case :-[
Kind regards.
PUNCH
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
If a charging tug makes side edge to side edge contact with a SUG, the SUG has been contacted by a charging TUG and should be destroyed, shouldn't it?
Quote from: PUNCH on November 18, 2023, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
Quote from: ShrubMiK on October 29, 2023, 09:51:45 AM
And I would hope we don't end up in a situation where e.g. two opposing units each break their frontal opponent and end up in only front corner to front corner contact; and then whoever moves first contacts the flank of the opponent and the opponent is denied a chance to respond effectively.
the author covered that in the last published clarifications
'CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file. NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
excuse me but I'm not sure to understand what happen when my TUG in the poursuing movement following a melee phase, contact with his front the flank of a new enemy and the combat will be resolved in the next charge phase?? what I read above seems not cover this case :-[
Kind regards.
PUNCH
I was answering the bit I left in quotes 'And I would hope we don't end up in a situation where e.g. two opposing units each break their frontal opponent and end up in only front corner to front corner contact; and then whoever moves first contacts the flank of the opponent and the opponent is denied a chance to respond effectively.'
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 18, 2023, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
If a charging tug makes side edge to side edge contact with a SUG, the SUG has been contacted by a charging TUG and should be destroyed, shouldn't it?
I'm guessing the TUG is within 1 base width of breaking otherwise yes the sug should be destroyed.
But the SUG could just skirmish before being caught
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 18, 2023, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
If a charging tug makes side edge to side edge contact with a SUG, the SUG has been contacted by a charging TUG and should be destroyed, shouldn't it?
I'm guessing the TUG is within 1 base width of breaking otherwise yes the sug should be destroyed.
So a great way to eliminate a SUG is to charge something next to it so you end up in side edge to side edge contact and it has no opportunity to evade?
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 20, 2023, 11:30:05 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 18, 2023, 08:23:09 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
If a charging tug makes side edge to side edge contact with a SUG, the SUG has been contacted by a charging TUG and should be destroyed, shouldn't it?
I'm guessing the TUG is within 1 base width of breaking otherwise yes the sug should be destroyed.
So a great way to eliminate a SUG is to charge something next to it so you end up in side edge to side edge contact and it has no opportunity to evade?
as currently written i'd say yes
If you contact it edge to edge as in your exemple, and it's charge phase and you say it's a contact then the SUG may/must evade. So it will not be destroyed unless it misses it's die rolls .
I'll say it in another way : it you charge hits the SUG, even on the side then the SUG is target of the charge then go to page 65 of the rules...SUGS must run away or skirmish .
It would be nice to have one of the gardians of the rules to be clear on it .
Quote from: PUNCH on November 18, 2023, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 18, 2023, 09:56:46 AM
Quote from: ShrubMiK on October 29, 2023, 09:51:45 AM
And I would hope we don't end up in a situation where e.g. two opposing units each break their frontal opponent and end up in only front corner to front corner contact; and then whoever moves first contacts the flank of the opponent and the opponent is denied a chance to respond effectively.
the author covered that in the last published clarifications
'CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file. NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).'
excuse me but I'm not sure to understand what happen when my TUG in the poursuing movement following a melee phase, contact with his front the flank of a new enemy and the combat will be resolved in the next charge phase?? what I read above seems not cover this case :-[
Kind regards.
PUNCH
I also would like a final ruling as it will make changes in the rules ..it's a very important point of rule
WE NEED TO REVIEW THE CLARIFICATIONS IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLICATION OF THE PDF EDITION - PLEASE BEAR WITH US ON THIS.
An UG is charged if the front edge or front corner of the UG contacts the enemy UG. A side edge contacting the side edge of an enemy UG has not charged it. Note: this situation only occurs when the opposing UGs are directly "lined up". If the charger is charging at an angle to the enemy UG then it cannot end up in edge to edge contact.
Assuming a charging TuG finishes its charge in edge to edge contact with an enemy SUG, the following points are relevant:
1. Assuming the charger does not end up in a melee, the charger won't be able to do an M9 move in that turn (having charged). The SuG will have an opportunity to move away.
2. If the charger is in melee, the charger might make an MF1 move in the movement phase to create a new file where the enemy SUG currently is. The enemy SuG is pushed back (4.I in the PDF edition, 9.3.I in the compendium edition).
3. The same MF1 move is possible at the end of the fighting phase, but in this instance the SuG is not pushed back (because push backs only happen in the movement phase). This will initiate a melee in the following turn. Note that the SuG would have had an opportunity to move away in the movement phase.
Please don't treat these as official clarifications. They are posted to help understand the rules.
Thank you
Quote from: lionheartrjc on November 21, 2023, 11:33:51 AM
This will initiate a melee in the following turn. Note that the SuG would have had an opportunity to move away in the movement phase.
so the SUG fights?
Quote from: lionheartrjc on November 21, 2023, 11:33:51 AM
WE NEED TO REVIEW THE CLARIFICATIONS IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLICATION OF THE PDF EDITION - PLEASE BEAR WITH US ON THIS.
An UG is charged if the front edge or front corner of the UG contacts the enemy UG. A side edge contacting the side edge of an enemy UG has not charged it. Note: this situation only occurs when the opposing UGs are directly "lined up". If the charger is charging at an angle to the enemy UG then it cannot end up in edge to edge contact.
Assuming a charging TuG finishes its charge in edge to edge contact with an enemy SUG, the following points are relevant:
1. Assuming the charger does not end up in a melee, the charger won't be able to do an M9 move in that turn (having charged). The SuG will have an opportunity to move away.
2. If the charger is in melee, the charger might make an MF1 move in the movement phase to create a new file where the enemy SUG currently is. The enemy SuG is pushed back (4.I in the PDF edition, 9.3.I in the compendium edition).
3. The same MF1 move is possible at the end of the fighting phase, but in this instance the SuG is not pushed back (because push backs only happen in the movement phase). This will initiate a melee in the following turn. Note that the SuG would have had an opportunity to move away in the movement phase.
Please don't treat these as official clarifications. They are posted to help understand the rules.
it doesn't address the issue of a charging enemy tug's side edge contacting the side edge of a sug. The rule is written as 'A SuG contacted in, or partially in, good going is dispersed by a charging TuG unless the TuG is within a base of breaking. The SuG is removed and the TuG's charge then continues its full distance.'
the sug isnt destroyed because its been charged and contacted by an enemy tug, its destroyed because its been contacted by a charging tug. there is no requirement for the sug to be the subject of or in the path of the charge, beyond a brush of side edges. Which I think was Laurence's point.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 22, 2023, 12:57:00 AM
it doesn't address the issue of a charging enemy tug's side edge contacting the side edge of a sug. The rule is written as 'A SuG contacted in, or partially in, good going is dispersed by a charging TuG unless the TuG is within a base of breaking. The SuG is removed and the TuG's charge then continues its full distance.'
the sug isnt destroyed because its been charged and contacted by an enemy tug, its destroyed because its been contacted by a charging tug. there is no requirement for the sug to be the subject of or in the path of the charge, beyond a brush of side edges. Which I think was Laurence's point.
That is the issue I was trying to address, by saying the rule is wrong. It is clearly not right that a SuG should be destroyed in those circumstances.
Richard
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 22, 2023, 12:57:00 AM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on November 21, 2023, 11:33:51 AM
WE NEED TO REVIEW THE CLARIFICATIONS IN LIGHT OF THE PUBLICATION OF THE PDF EDITION - PLEASE BEAR WITH US ON THIS.
An UG is charged if the front edge or front corner of the UG contacts the enemy UG. A side edge contacting the side edge of an enemy UG has not charged it. Note: this situation only occurs when the opposing UGs are directly "lined up". If the charger is charging at an angle to the enemy UG then it cannot end up in edge to edge contact.
Assuming a charging TuG finishes its charge in edge to edge contact with an enemy SUG, the following points are relevant:
1. Assuming the charger does not end up in a melee, the charger won't be able to do an M9 move in that turn (having charged). The SuG will have an opportunity to move away.
2. If the charger is in melee, the charger might make an MF1 move in the movement phase to create a new file where the enemy SUG currently is. The enemy SuG is pushed back (4.I in the PDF edition, 9.3.I in the compendium edition).
3. The same MF1 move is possible at the end of the fighting phase, but in this instance the SuG is not pushed back (because push backs only happen in the movement phase). This will initiate a melee in the following turn. Note that the SuG would have had an opportunity to move away in the movement phase.
Please don't treat these as official clarifications. They are posted to help understand the rules.
it doesn't address the issue of a charging enemy tug's side edge contacting the side edge of a sug. The rule is written as 'A SuG contacted in, or partially in, good going is dispersed by a charging TuG unless the TuG is within a base of breaking. The SuG is removed and the TuG's charge then continues its full distance.'
the sug isnt destroyed because its been charged and contacted by an enemy tug, its destroyed because its been contacted by a charging tug. there is no requirement for the sug to be the subject of or in the path of the charge, beyond a brush of side edges. Which I think was Laurence's point.
Regards
Matt
As a referee I'll answer that if you contact a SUG anyway you can even by sliding along it during a charge then it's a target of the charge and may evade.
Quote from: badhabum on November 22, 2023, 05:03:20 PM
As a referee I'll answer that if you contact a SUG anyway you can even by sliding along it during a charge then it's a target of the charge and may evade.
which would be your right as referee , you would however be flying in the face of the author's intent and written comment on the subject, which is what started this thread in the first place....
CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file.
NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).
Quote from: tarnowski1 on November 22, 2023, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: badhabum on November 22, 2023, 05:03:20 PM
As a referee I'll answer that if you contact a SUG anyway you can even by sliding along it during a charge then it's a target of the charge and may evade.
which would be your right as referee , you would however be flying in the face of the author's intent and written comment on the subject, which is what started this thread in the first place....
CONTACTS THAT LEAD TO COMBAT Charge moves, pursuit moves, the provisions of Page 132 M, and MF1 moves are the only moves allowed that end in a contact that would result in a combat other than becoming a supporting file. NB a charge (or indeed a move not entering a CPZ) can end in side edge-to-side edge contact with an enemy UG that was not the target of the charge. The enemy UG has not been charged so cannot skirmish or run away. If permitted, that enemy UG could use 9.4M to initiate a combat in the melee phase and the unit that charged could respond with MF1 and MF2 moves. Indeed, this is valid even if the enemy UG is a SuG in the open and the unit that moved or charged was a TUG. (It is a situation where a SuG can initiate a melee combat in the open against a TuG).
Ok then we need Simon's input, the autor :) but a ruling is needed by the people who have the power to do so as it will have a certain impact .
The rule speaks of SUG that are caught in the open. What do you mean by "caught" should it not be "charged" is a side contact "caught" or not ..games of words
So here is my reasonong : first the question was already answered, we have the author's intend as in the clarification that had been issued,it is clearly stated that even if a SUG the SUG could turn 90° to engage the TUG in MELEE. That must mean that the SUG has not been destroyed so that even if contacted it has not been "caught" and is not destroyed .
So what is caught ? The rules says a SUG that has been caught is destroyed, not a SUG that has been contacted is destroyed .So might the word "caught" not imply combat contact during the charge ? If there was to be impact melee the SUG would be destroyed ? That seems to be the right meaning, the intend and has always been played that way . So a side to side contact not being an impact contact, the SUG cannot be caught and is not destroyed
Any comments on that interpretation ?
I totally agree with you there - caught implies something that was trying to escape. But of course unless terms are rigorously defined in the rules there will be difficulties, as with the discussions regarding what exactly is meant by fighting.
Quote from: badhabum on November 22, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
The rules says a SUG that has been caught is destroyed, not a SUG that has been contacted is destroyed
Any comments on that interpretation ?
you are not even close with what the rules say '4. Once contact has been made with an enemy UG:
4.1. A SuG contacted in, or partially in, good going is dispersed by a charging TuG unless the TuG is within a base of breaking. The SuG is removed and the TuG's charge then continues its full distance.'
so in fact it really does actually say a sug, contacted, IS destroyed. The author's subsequent clarification alters this dynamic.
the point that perhaps should be brought up is 4.2
'4.2 Otherwise, once contact is made by a charging UG any files must press forward up to 1BW from the line of first contact if they can contact any enemy directly ahead.'
This very heavily suggests that in the context of charges
contact means ' front edge' contact otherwise any tug that charges past an enemy tug so it touches side edge to side edge actually has to stop their charge immediately it touches....
Ho hum, things seem to be getting a bit tied up with the wording that Richard has already said does not properly convey the intention behind the rules; which means that by doing that people will end up making this more difficult than it actually should be.
The key bit from Richard is:
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An UG is charged if the front edge or front corner of the UG contacts the enemy UG. A side edge contacting the side edge of an enemy UG has not charged it.
This should be used by a umpire as the basis for making a ruling.
Such a ruling is, IMO, pretty straight forward. A SUG is dispersed by a charging enemy and to be charged it has to be contacted by the front edge or front corner as per Richard's post. Any other contact does not disperse. Also it follows that as any other contact is not (strictly) being charged there will be no skirmish/run away - and thus the other options Richard mentioned in his post come into play.
It also follows that any contact from a press forward will need to be contact that would come under the being charged approach Richard states.
Official clarification will follow in due time as previous stated.
Quote from: badhabum on November 22, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
Ok then we need Simon's input, the autor
Not just one author now ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/dum6B2m.png)
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 23, 2023, 07:33:57 AM
Quote from: badhabum on November 22, 2023, 07:52:28 PM
Ok then we need Simon's input, the autor
Not just one author now ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/dum6B2m.png)
I stand corrected
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An UG is charged if the front edge or front corner of the UG contacts the enemy UG. A side edge contacting the side edge of an enemy UG has not charged it.
Not being native English , I try to understand:
If a corner to corner contact is considered being the target of a charge, then the SUG that stands next to the contacted TUG and that is in corner to corner contact with the charging TUG must/ may skirmish to avoid being destroyed as it is the target of a charge
Corner to corner does not create a combat so IMO based on Richards comments would also not result in dispersal or force a skirmish/run away. Obviously the declared path of charge will be important here.
Thank you see you in a few days
Hello,
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 23, 2023, 06:54:13 AM[...]A SUG is dispersed by a charging enemy and to be charged it has to be contacted by the front edge or front corner as per Richard's post. [...]
And
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 23, 2023, 05:20:03 PMCorner to corner does not create a combat [...]
Sorry if I seem obtuse, but I cannot help but find these two contradictory. Does a corner-to-corner contact create a combat or not ?
Best,
Antoine
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
I think if the UGs are in the "headlight beam" of each other, then corner to corner contact probably ought to create combat.
I suggest the governing principle should be the contact does not create combat if the static UG does not obstruct forward movement of the moving UG.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
Thank you Nik.
Best,
Antoine
Lawrence makes a good point, otherwise there is potential for cheese.
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 28, 2023, 01:17:25 AM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
I think if the UGs are in the "headlight beam" of each other, then corner to corner contact probably ought to create combat.
I suggest the governing principle should be the contact does not create combat if the static UG does not obstruct forward movement of the moving UG.
Ok and en français cela veut dire quoi ?
Sorry but you have lost many people who are not nativeenglish so could someone explain or even better create a picture explaining your idea .
For now, from what I understand , the ruling is : corner to corner is NO combat, no SUG that poffes out of existence but that even if there is a ruling the discussion continues ..so where are we now . Please
My UG is facing your UG, but at an angle, and I declare a charge.
Front left corner of my UG contacts front right corner of your UG.
If my charge path was slightly further to my left we would have combat: my front edge would contact your front corner.
If my charge path was slightly further to my right we would have combat: my front corner would contact your front edge.
It doesn't seem reasonable that by some fluke of geometry we could end up perfectly corner-to-corner and the result is no combat.
Quote from: badhabum on November 28, 2023, 03:58:21 PM
Quote from: LawrenceG on November 28, 2023, 01:17:25 AM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
I think if the UGs are in the "headlight beam" of each other, then corner to corner contact probably ought to create combat.
I suggest the governing principle should be the contact does not create combat if the static UG does not obstruct forward movement of the moving UG.
Ok and en français cela veut dire quoi ?
Sorry but you have lost many people who are not nativeenglish so could someone explain or even better create a picture explaining your idea .
For now, from what I understand , the ruling is : corner to corner is NO combat, no SUG that poffes out of existence but that even if there is a ruling the discussion continues ..so where are we now . Please
Lawrence is talking about what he feels ought to happen.
'Lawrence is talking about what he feels ought to happen.'
So NOT official policy, I gather?
Just trying to translate to continentalese here...
Huub
Quote from: Princeps on November 28, 2023, 07:15:40 AM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on November 27, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
It is because the first quote really needs to be saying contacted on an edge by the front edge or front corner of charging enemy or some such wording.
Corner to corner does not create combat.
Thank you Nik.
Best,
Antoine
I guess for completeness I should note that chargers edge to enemy corner created combat as well.
Quote from: Glactophagos on November 28, 2023, 06:00:57 PM
'Lawrence is talking about what he feels ought to happen.'
So NOT official policy, I gather?
Huub
Yup.
(https://i.imgur.com/Jz0kJ8G.png)
If front corner to front corner created a combat the provisions of 4 J (PDF) and 9.4 M (Compendium) would eb worded differently by not having the front corner to front corner bit :D