If I contact a SUG in my movement phase he is pushed back 1BW to max move his choice.
I cannot push him back on the second move of a double move.
So if I do a double move towards a SUG, I contact him with my first move, he falls back lets say 2BW, I then do my second move, I amstopped when I make base to base contact and he is not pushed back ?
After writing this the push back is 1BW not 2BW, but question remains
You cannot make contact with the SuG in the second move.
By the way, during the push back the skirmisher must either run away or end exactly 1BW away (aligning or not). There is no other choices involved.
Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 27, 2023, 07:48:14 AM
You cannot make contact with the SuG in the second move.
By the way, during the push back the skirmisher must either run away or end exactly 1BW away (aligning or not). There is no other choices involved.
As far I can see, if you don't align, there is no constraint on the direction that the SuG is pushed. It just has to end with the point that would have been first contacted 1 BW away from the point that would have contacted it. Is that correct?
Quote from: sstoker22 on September 27, 2023, 04:47:45 AM
If I contact a SUG in my movement phase he is pushed back 1BW to max move his choice.
I cannot push him back on the second move of a double move.
So if I do a double move towards a SUG, I contact him with my first move, he falls back lets say 2BW, I then do my second move, I am stopped when I make base to base contact and he is not pushed back ?
It's not "pushed back 1BW to max move", it's pushed back until (precisely) 1 BW away from the final position of the moving unit. The actual distance pushed back may be more than max move, but if it is more than the max move then the SuG suffers a KaB test.
Or it can do a "run away" instead of being pushed back.
On the second move you can get as close as you like, without actually making contact.
I just asked because I could not see something saying you cannot make contact with another UG during movement in general or a SUG in this case.
4.J: ENGAGING IN MELEE WHEN ALREADY IN CONTACT then talks troops already in contact.
This is why I asked.
Assumable this only then occurs due to a prior charge action ?
Quote from: sstoker22 on September 27, 2023, 10:08:26 AM
I just asked because I could not see something saying you cannot make contact with another UG during movement in general or a SUG in this case.
4.J: ENGAGING IN MELEE WHEN ALREADY IN CONTACT then talks troops already in contact.
This is why I asked.
Assumable this only then occurs due to a prior charge action ?
Yes, you can only make contact with the front edge of your UG against an enemy UG by charging (or possibly by an MF1/MF2 move when in melee n the right circumstances -e.g. expanding into an enemy UG that is a supporting file).
Quote from: sstoker22 on September 27, 2023, 10:08:26 AM
I just asked because I could not see something saying you cannot make contact with another UG during movement in general or a SUG in this case.
4.J: ENGAGING IN MELEE WHEN ALREADY IN CONTACT then talks troops already in contact.
This is why I asked.
Assumable this only then occurs due to a prior charge action ?
pdf 4.I.8 says "Note: To contact the SuG it must be charged."
pdf 4.J.1 says "Normally UGs may only create a new combat by charging or pursuing into enemy, or by being hit by such enemy." but does not prohibit contacting enemy without creating a new combat.
The unnumbered paragraph at the start of pdf section 5 says "With the exceptions identified in engaging in melee when already in contact (see 4.J), a UG cannot contact an enemy UG with its front edge except by charging."
In my limited experience being in contact but not in combat arises most commonly when an UG breaks, leaving its opponent in contact with the side edge of an adjacent UG that is already fighting to its front; and occasionally when an UG that is exactly lined up offset from an enemy UG advances past its flank, leaving it in side edge to side edge contact (but according to 4.I.8 you can't do this to a SUG).