5. Ambush cards may only be placed in your own half of the table and in a position where the
ambush would not be visible from anywhere in the opponent's half of the table. The terrain
effects table indicates the terrain types that affect visibility
Does this mean
1. I can place it outside my own deployment area
2. If for example I'm in woods I would need to be 2BW away from centreline otherwise I could be seen from the opponents half
Yes and yes.
Richard
BEWARE "the opponent half of the table" is the opponnent half of the table , terrain pieces included .
So this leaves pretty little space outside your own half of the table to set a "not visible from the opponent half of the table .
" ambush.
i'd rather say no space at all may be "not visible" outside , maybe, some spaces in your own half of the table provided there is adequate cover.
"pretty little " was my french attempt at british understatement ... means no spmace at all ... sorry i'm not native english
Quote from: Onurbm on September 27, 2023, 06:04:07 PM
BEWARE "the opponent half of the table" is the opponnent half of the table , terrain pieces included .
So this leaves pretty little space outside your own half of the table to set a "not visible from the opponent half of the table .
" ambush.
i'd rather say no space at all may be "not visible" outside , maybe, some spaces in your own half of the table provided there is adequate cover.
I don't know if this is a translation issue, but you can never place an ambush in the opponent's half of the table.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 28, 2023, 07:35:44 AM
Quote from: Onurbm on September 27, 2023, 06:04:07 PM
BEWARE "the opponent half of the table" is the opponnent half of the table , terrain pieces included .
So this leaves pretty little space outside your own half of the table to set a "not visible from the opponent half of the table .
" ambush.
i'd rather say no space at all may be "not visible" outside , maybe, some spaces in your own half of the table provided there is adequate cover.
I don't know if this is a translation issue, but you can never place an ambush in the opponent's half of the table.
Richard
pdf PBS5.F.5 says "Ambush cards may only be placed in your own half of the table"
FWIW I suspect Onurbm typed "outside your own half" when he meant "inside your own half", i.e the point being made is the wide range of viewing positions in the opponent's half means there aren't many positions in your own half that can't be seen from any of them.
But even if it wasn't explicit, an ambush in the opponent's half would be visible from within itself, and therefore not allowed anyway.
Yes as I understand it if I'm in any cover good to go for ambush subject to visibility rules (e.g. Woods 2BW)
If I am behind it then depends on the depth of terrain and I assume LOS to the CARD ?, as no unit is deployed.
Which brings me to hills, if the ridge line runs parallel to the centre line then its 2BW or the enemy moving past the ridge line ?
But this begs a question for simplicity do hills just have a single ridge line running in one direction ? or two e.g. North/South East/West ?
If only one ridge line can I place the hill with the ridge line running perpendicular to the centre line? This would make it useless for Ambush but I may what to do this to strengthen a flank or divide the battle field.
Quote from: sstoker22 on September 28, 2023, 10:00:38 AM
Which brings me to hills, if the ridge line runs parallel to the centre line then its 2BW or the enemy moving past the ridge line ?
But this begs a question for simplicity do hills just have a single ridge line running in one direction ? or two e.g. North/South East/West ?
If only one ridge line can I place the hill with the ridge line running perpendicular to the centre line? This would make it useless for Ambush but I may what to do this to strengthen a flank or divide the battle field.
In my view, hills either have ridge line (or lines) defined or they come to a single high point. If they come to a single high point, imagine an infinite set of ridge lines extending from the high point to every point on the edge of the hill. The latter takes a little bit of getting your head around. It is up to the player placing the hill to make it clear.
By the way, I rarely deploy an ambush (twice in seven years) as I believe they rarely fool my opponent and the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. That said on one occasion they helped me seize a terrain piece before my opponent and one one occasion I got completely caught out by an opponents ambush.
Richard
My understanding is if the line of sight crosses a ridge, the observer cannot see the enemy unless the observer is within 2 BW of the enemy.
I don't think the distance from the ridge to either party matters.
But I could be wrong about that.
I think a useful rule of thumb might be that if the line of sight towards the enemy is not entirely downhill, but it is going downhill when it reaches the enemy, then the enemy is behind a ridge.
Quote from: LawrenceG on September 28, 2023, 01:37:13 PM
I don't think the distance from the ridge to either party matters.
Agreed. As long as the two UGs are entirely either side of a ridge line, it is the distance between them that matters.
Richard