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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: Jilu on August 31, 2023, 08:32:23 AM

Title: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: Jilu on August 31, 2023, 08:32:23 AM
https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220727-the-iberian-civilisation-that-vanished
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/tartessos-casas-del-turunuelo

Seems to have been a rich city-state.
I think there is no list covering them either biblical or classical.



Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: nikgaukroger on August 31, 2023, 08:43:58 AM
What would you suggest the list would look like?
Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: Jilu on August 31, 2023, 10:01:23 AM
"Tartessos is now generally considered to be a civilisation that formed from a mixture of indigenous people and Greek and Phoenician colonisers in the Iberian Peninsula. "
9th and 5th Centuries BCE

some kind of mix of these cultures?
Its seems to have been a quite  rich city-state.
Given de sacrifice of horses they should have some cavalry or Chariots.

i would see a noble cav TUG - loose formed/protected short spear superior unit of 6, melée expert optional ?

Units of hoplite-like infantry ? close/drilled or formed/protected/ Longspear perhaps one unit of superior for the more whealty ?

Iberian foot ? formed/tribal loose / average/javelin/shortspear

Javlin experienced / javelin skirmishers foot and horse?

Allies ? Lybian ? Celtic?

Ennemies : Celtic

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0fsc7kn/how-an-advanced-civilisation-vanished-2-500-years-ago





Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: lionheartrjc on August 31, 2023, 01:33:23 PM
Tartessian culture is a pre-Iberian culture in Spain. Villanovan culture is pre-Etruscan in Italy. There is also Hallstat culture, pre-Celtic and the Chernogorovka-Novocherkassk culture in eastern Europe.

I believe the statement that the civilisation was a mixture of indigenous people and Greek and Phoenician colonisers would be considered controversial in academic circles. The more accepted view is that the Tartessians traded with Greeks and Phoenicians (mostly Phoenicians) who settled in the Western Mediterranean.  Cultural influence can be traced in trading routes as far as Assyria.

Richard
Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: Jilu on August 31, 2023, 05:06:23 PM
Might be interesting to know more about them, maybe the recent escavations delivered new insight in the origins
Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: martymagnificent on September 02, 2023, 12:37:33 AM
I believe there was a list for them under Warrior (ieWRG 7.5) that was a combination of Hoplites and Iberians.

Martin
Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: Jilu on September 25, 2023, 04:55:07 PM
https://institucional.us.es/revistas/spal/13/art_10.pdf
Interesting in this is that there is a important Grrk influence and also Phoenician one.

I was rather rich even for the Greeks who were impressed by it.

So i a m dubious they would mainly have Iberian style of troops.
Title: Re: List missing : Tartessos
Post by: Jilu on December 04, 2023, 11:53:08 AM
https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0fsc7kn/how-an-advanced-civilisation-vanished-2-500-years-ago?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=exchange&tblci=GiAdQKAwmPa91prBC0b-6HdRXUUcWM_RrxlDqsv8DzovJSCMjFQokc-x86qQrYzeAQ#tblciGiAdQKAwmPa91prBC0b-6HdRXUUcWM_RrxlDqsv8DzovJSCMjFQokc-x86qQrYzeAQ