One of my fellow war gamers insists that if a unit is hit in the flank then the general counts for every single base in that file according to the rules.
Can someone put this to bed one way or another, please.
A file is defined in the clarifications as a single front rank base plus any bases behind it in the 1BW corridor directly to its rear, facing in the same direction and in contiguous contact with it.
By implication a file could be contacted by several files in the flank.
The QRS and rules refer to a general fighting in a file. Therefore I think the +1/+2 would apply to all combats with that file.
The danger of course is that the file might lose several bases resulting in multiple KaBs against the general.
Richard
Richard your view now is the oppsite of what you said was the case during our game on Sunday. You hit my cataphracts in the flank from a piece of terrain. I had a general in that file and tried to claim him for each base but you said that was not the case. Could have been pivotal as that would have changed the combats. It was this unit breaking that won you the game.
John
Continuing further. Me not getting the general made the dice red and white versus black. While the general included would have altered to red versus white which is a fairly substantial change.
Guilty as charged. It was my honest view until when I saw your post I double checked with the rules and clarifications. I was going through the clarifications on the 2019 website that I found the definition. I am still not sure if there is something elsewhere that contradicts the view above and would welcome Simon's opinion.
I don't like the idea of the general counting twice. It seems wrong to me.
Purely from a common sense point of view I would have thought that if the general is fighting in the front rank he would only count for combats with/against the front base.
Don't know if assists but this is in the clarifications:
QuoteIN COMBAT AND OUT OF COMMAND
• A general can choose whether to fight in the front rank of a file at the time the file fights.
Does at least mention fighting in the front rank of a file as opposed to just with the file (per QRS).
Richard, no problem. I agree with you that it seems strange thatva general can fight with every base in a file especially if they are fighting for their lives against a flank attack. One to review perhaps?
Quote from: marshalney2000 on March 28, 2019, 07:32:51 AM
Richard, no problem. I agree with you that it seems strange that a general can fight with every base in a file especially if they are fighting for their lives against a flank attack. One to review perhaps?
I would like an opinion from Simon. The situation we had could be usefully clarified.
if fighting with the file he has to be on the front of the combat/melee... so he can fight with one base who gets the bonusses of rearank or in case of flank in charge phase without rearrank bonusses
Quote from: Jilu on March 28, 2019, 05:53:18 PM
if fighting with the file he has to be on the front of the combat/melee... so he can fight with one base who gets the bonusses of rearank or in case of flank in charge phase without rearrank bonusses
Where does it say this in the rules?
Would appear it doesn't ;) 8)
yes well...claries 5.0 say a general is fighting in the front rank of a file at the time the file fights,
if charged in the flank do we consider it to be the front rank?
if not, then a general can only fight in front of a file, never on a flank except if the flanked base turned?
Interesting
A general fights in a file.
If you have bases turned you have multiple files.
So would suggest the rightest clarry is always with a file. Implications ....
1. Fights to front unless some bases are turned sideways or rearwards.
2. If already engaged in one file has to pay to move to another consistent with rest of rules.
3. If not engaged yet can choose which of the files to join and fight with.
So not emergency help against a flank charge until he has sorted out the troops to respond, which I rather like.
Comments welcome.
Si
Infamy , infamy - they've all got it in for me! I wont say I told you so John but .....
Still needs to looked at in my view,
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on April 17, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
Interesting
A general fights in a file.
If you have bases turned you have multiple files.
So would suggest the rightest clarry is always with a file. Implications ....
1. Fights to front unless some bases are turned sideways or rearwards.
2. If already engaged in one file has to pay to move to another consistent with rest of rules.
3. If not engaged yet can choose which of the files to join and fight with.
So not emergency help against a flank charge until he has sorted out the troops to respond, which I rather like.
Comments welcome.
Si
I would say a file is composed of 1 to 4 bases all facing the same direction. If par of the file turns is it still part of the original file ? Anyway, if the general is committed to the fight in one direction, I would say that he has to move towards the other threat to have some effect. Doing otherwise would enable a general to fight once for each direction ..
Quote from: badhabum on May 05, 2019, 07:32:10 PM
If par of the file turns is it still part of the original file ?
The clarries explain that one - and the answer is no.
That was my point
GLOSSARY:
File A front rank base and all bases in the BW corridor behind them that are facing in the same direction and in contiguous contact. Therefore a single corridor may have files fighting to front flank and rear (4 in principle although hard to achieve)