Unit of 4 cavalry charges unit of 6 Knights from a onside position so not a flank charge, hits Corner of front rank and flank of rear rank, rear rank is protected, front rank Rider armoured, can defender align? both bases technically fighting to front, if so how?
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No alignment possible for the defender. Attacker could choose to align if bases in contact do not move more than 1BW and other bases do not move more than 2BW. Depending upon the angle, the attacker may not be able to align.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 01, 2023, 03:39:44 PM
No alignment possible for the defender. Attacker could choose to align if bases in contact do not move more than 1BW and other bases do not move more than 2BW. Depending upon the angle, the attacker may not be able to align.
Richard
If the defender was only 2 wide, so nothing moved further than the 1 or 2 BW limit, could it align then?
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 01, 2023, 03:39:44 PM
No alignment possible for the defender. Attacker could choose to align if bases in contact do not move more than 1BW and other bases do not move more than 2BW. Depending upon the angle, the attacker may not be able to align.
Richard
in this case, not sure for the 1BW
it is written p74 5.1
Front rank bases in contact with an enemy flank but not as a valid flank charge may ignore the 1BW restriction to align with the front edge of the file contacted if all other restrictions are obeyed
Quote from: philfigo on May 01, 2023, 05:35:15 PM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 01, 2023, 03:39:44 PM
No alignment possible for the defender. Attacker could choose to align if bases in contact do not move more than 1BW and other bases do not move more than 2BW. Depending upon the angle, the attacker may not be able to align.
Richard
in this case, not sure for the 1BW
it is written p74 5.1
Front rank bases in contact with an enemy flank but not as a valid flank charge may ignore the 1BW restriction to align with the front edge of the file contacted if all other restrictions are obeyed
except the first base is in contact with the front edge/corner and not the flank edge so is restricted to a max of 1bw move, that one cannot slide far enough over to allow the 2nd base to also line up with the front edge of the Knights
Quote from: tarnowski1 on May 01, 2023, 06:25:26 PM
except the first base is in contact with the front edge/corner and not the flank edge so is restricted to a max of 1bw move, that one cannot slide far enough over to allow the 2nd base to also line up with the front edge of the Knights
yes you are right for the first base.
it seemed to me on the picture that 1 BW was enough for this base and 2 BW for the 2nd.
should we measure all the points of the base or only the front of the base?
Quote from: philfigo on May 01, 2023, 06:46:02 PM
Quote from: tarnowski1 on May 01, 2023, 06:25:26 PM
except the first base is in contact with the front edge/corner and not the flank edge so is restricted to a max of 1bw move, that one cannot slide far enough over to allow the 2nd base to also line up with the front edge of the Knights
yes you are right for the first base.
it seemed to me on the picture that 1 BW was enough for this base and 2 BW for the 2nd.
should we measure all the points of the base or only the front of the base?
to make room for the flank base to make contact with the front edge of a knight base the first base must move 1.5ish base widths to fully align with the knight base to its left (as yet not in contact). measurement is by leading edge iirc
Quote from: tarnowski1 on May 01, 2023, 06:51:47 PM
to make room for the flank base to make contact with the front edge of a knight base the first base must move 1.5ish base widths to fully align with the knight base to its left (as yet not in contact). measurement is by leading edge iirc
yes, but according to the diagram on page 76, it is possible to align in a staircase, the first base remains in contact with the contacted base and the 2nd base is placed in support
(although in the situation illustrated by the diagram, the distance greater than 2 BW prevents the alignment, probably because of the 3rd file)
unless this diagram is not correct :(
The intention is that if you hit any enemy such that one hits the front and the other hits the flank (but not as a flank charge) then you can align with one file in contact and the other as a supporting file (subject to the bases in contact not moving more than 1BW and other bases not moving more than 2 BW). So I think the diagram is correct.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 02, 2023, 01:41:08 PM
The intention is that if you hit any enemy such that one hits the front and the other hits the flank (but not as a flank charge) then you can align with one file in contact and the other as a supporting file (subject to the bases in contact not moving more than 1BW and other bases not moving more than 2 BW). So I think the diagram is correct.
Richard
have to admit I hadnt considered that having engineered two bases into contact I'd want to reduce the number of bases fighting in the charge phase.
Quote from: tarnowski1 on May 02, 2023, 02:20:48 PM
have to admit I hadnt considered that having engineered two bases into contact I'd want to reduce the number of bases fighting in the charge phase.
The side on the receiving end might.
Quote from: lionheartrjc on May 02, 2023, 01:41:08 PM
The intention is that if you hit any enemy such that one hits the front and the other hits the flank (but not as a flank charge) then you can align with one file in contact and the other as a supporting file (subject to the bases in contact not moving more than 1BW and other bases not moving more than 2 BW). So I think the diagram is correct.
Richard
thanks, it's clear to me