PDF 5.M.2 has
The path of charge does not change, so a file that is revealed by the responder moving does not shoot unless the path of charge comes within 1BW.
If I have a 2-deep foot SUG immediately in front of a bow TUG, then the path of charge (charging that SUG) is within 1 BW of the bow TUG.
Therefore it can shoot when the SUG has skirmished away.
Was that intended?
It can happen, but remember that the path of charge does not go through a unit that skirmishes it only goes past it so the placement of the units in question are important. With the right troops in the right position you can engineer a lot of shooting at chargers at times.
So just to be sure:
If B charges down the page, path of charge ends at A's front edge, which is 1 BW away from C.
A shoots and evades, then C shoots.
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As the shooting is resolved before the skirmish/run-away is actually made, at the time of resolution C cannot meet the requirements of 7 D 2 and trace uninterrupted lines from both corners of the file to the enemy and thus cannot shoot.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on January 25, 2023, 06:24:40 PM
As the shooting is resolved before the skirmish/run-away is actually made,
OK. That's not at all clear from the rules.
I disagree - IMO 5 L 3.1 and 3.2 make it quite clear you resolve shooting (3.1) and then you make the skirmish/run-away move (3.2 which starts "Once shooting has been done,").
Quote from: nikgaukroger on January 25, 2023, 07:12:12 PM
I disagree - IMO 5 L 3.1 and 3.2 make it quite clear you resolve shooting (3.1) and then you make the skirmish/run-away move (3.2 which starts "Once shooting has been done,").
3. To execute a run away or skirmish response:
3.1. For each UG, before making any moves, first roll for any shooting effect using the
shooting mechanism. Files shoot if their target's path of charge is ahead of them (i.e.,
in front of the line extending the front edge of the file shooting) and within 1 BW (see
7.D).
3.2. Once shooting has been done ...
This looks as though it is only talking about the shooting involved in executing a run away or skirmish response. It's positioned and formatted as a sub-procedure in the
To execute a run away or skirmish response procedure.
I think what you need to do is change 5.M.2 to:
"All shooting at chargers must be completed before any run away or skirmish moves. Therefore, a file whose shot is blocked by a responder that will move out of the way does not shoot. In Mortem et Gloriam "revealed shooters" do not shoot– i.e., if you put foot skirmishers in front of a TuG of bowmen and they are charged, then the skirmishers will shoot, but the TuG behind will not."
I disagree and think the rules cover the situation adequately as they stand. Suspect a couple of additional hyperlinks could usefully connect sections that relate though - something that no doubt applies throughout the rules and will emerge with regular use of the PDF.