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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: Chevalier de la Terre on September 06, 2022, 10:30:17 PM

Title: Legal Charge?
Post by: Chevalier de la Terre on September 06, 2022, 10:30:17 PM
Situation from the last game, pic related: the infantry unit wishes to declare a charge on the rear of the cavalry: wheel 1/2 BW, then charge 2.5 BW straight to contact with the nearest infantry base front corner. The BW markers show the distance (roughly, pic is not directly overhead). It is 3 BW from the far corner of the nearest infantry base to the rear of the nearest cavalry base along the 3 BW stick.

I maintained this was a legal charge, since the infantry unit had the distance and only needed to contact with a corner to make a contact and valid charge: the far base would ("must") push 1 BW forward after the initial contact was made, etc. My opponent disagreed that this was possible, claiming that the wheel would use up too much movement distance. But there is no minimum distance required to wheel, thus as I see it a 1/2 BW wheel is perfectly fine and there was no requirement to wheel more: just enough to allow sufficient frontal distance remaining and a corner to base contact.

I realise it's difficult to tell from the pic but any guidance would be appreciated.

CdlT
(https://i.postimg.cc/7GXxJ3L1/20220903-170728.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GXxJ3L1)
Title: Re: Legal Charge?
Post by: nikgaukroger on September 07, 2022, 06:10:04 AM
From your description you were correct. If a 1/2 BW wheel followed by a move straight forward of 2 1/2 BW (or less) makes a legal contact then it is a viable charge. As you say there is no minimum wheel distance.
Title: Re: Legal Charge?
Post by: LawrenceG on September 07, 2022, 11:03:14 AM
With the geometry as shown in the photo (2 BW infantry frontage, left edge is 1.5 BW behind the rear line of the cavalry and centre point is 3 BW from right rear corner of first cavalry) a 0.5 BW wheel* followed by 2.5 BW forwards is nowhere near contact.


* left front corner of left base is centre of rotation, right front corner of right base moves 0.5 BW.
Title: Re: Legal Charge?
Post by: LawrenceG on September 07, 2022, 11:35:59 AM
Quote from: LawrenceG on September 07, 2022, 11:03:14 AM
With the geometry as shown in the photo (2 BW infantry frontage, left edge is 1.5 BW behind the rear line of the cavalry and centre point is 3 BW from right rear corner of first cavalry) a 0.5 BW wheel* followed by 2.5 BW forwards is nowhere near contact.


* left front corner of left base is centre of rotation, right front corner of right base moves 0.5 BW.

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Title: Re: Legal Charge?
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on September 08, 2022, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: Chevalier de la Terre on September 06, 2022, 10:30:17 PM
Situation from the last game, pic related: the infantry unit wishes to declare a charge on the rear of the cavalry: wheel 1/2 BW, then charge 2.5 BW straight to contact with the nearest infantry base front corner. The BW markers show the distance (roughly, pic is not directly overhead). It is 3 BW from the far corner of the nearest infantry base to the rear of the nearest cavalry base along the 3 BW stick.

I maintained this was a legal charge, since the infantry unit had the distance and only needed to contact with a corner to make a contact and valid charge: the far base would ("must") push 1 BW forward after the initial contact was made, etc. My opponent disagreed that this was possible, claiming that the wheel would use up too much movement distance. But there is no minimum distance required to wheel, thus as I see it a 1/2 BW wheel is perfectly fine and there was no requirement to wheel more: just enough to allow sufficient frontal distance remaining and a corner to base contact.

I realise it's difficult to tell from the pic but any guidance would be appreciated.

CdlT
(https://i.postimg.cc/7GXxJ3L1/20220903-170728.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7GXxJ3L1)

As Nik says your rationale is correct and anything that can hit another enemy base by pressing forward 1BW does so after movement so yif you reach you will get 2 contacts. 
But also as LG suggests it may not reach.  I have pretty good eyes and it looks to me to be a struggle to get there if you d it preciesley wheeling on the left hand corner.

One top is always to use a measuring stick the same width and do the move that way and thne move the bases.  So take a 2 BW stich and see if with strict wheels and moves you get there. If you do then it is as you were aiming to play it.

Have fun.