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After BRULIB I was tasked to ask the following question as my interpretation was contested :
MF1 or move unengaged bases to single different file more detailed as : create supporting files, fill gaps, CREATE RANKS, fight enemy supporting file. multiple action allowed.
So 2 engaged UGs . On one flank one of the UGs as 2 more files in "overlap" so one file is giving support while the other, being too far, does nothing but be a juicy target for enemy bows . ( PB vs mounted )
The player wanted to move that target file behind one of his other files and create a new rank that would give nothing but depth and a 3rd rank in an other file. Also save his base
The shooting player argument was that it was illegal as it did not give support, fill in a gap. So I pointed out it was moving a base from one unengaged file to another file, creating a new rank and so allowed but it was contested.
It was as if the UG could contract while in combat
My answer was yes he could
So was I right or wrong as it is still contested
The wording for MF1 is "create ranks" - nothing there about them needing to be supporting ranks, just "ranks". If supporting was a requirement the wording would (presumably) have been "Create supporting ranks".
So you were correct ;D
Thanks Nik for giving us orientation.
MF1 is indicated page 145 to move unengaged bases into fighting.
Contracting while stationary in fight without contributing in any ways to the fight was appearing fairly cheesy.
Would you mind have it added into claries should the decision remain like this?
Here below some pix for reference.
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Quote from: Rino on September 06, 2022, 07:49:33 PM
Thanks Nik for giving us orientation.
MF1 is indicated page 145 to move unengaged bases into fighting.
Contracting while stationary in fight without contributing in any ways to the fight was appearing fairly cheesy.
Page 145 is not helpful for sure as it is not consistent with the QRS (and I believe the QRS covers what is intended). Will add to the list for the upcoming PDF and look at a clarrie.
Thanks Nik
Quote from: nikgaukroger on September 06, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
The wording for MF1 is "create ranks" - nothing there about them needing to be supporting ranks, just "ranks". If supporting was a requirement the wording would (presumably) have been "Create supporting ranks".
So you were correct ;D
Is indeed as intended
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on September 08, 2022, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on September 06, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
The wording for MF1 is "create ranks" - nothing there about them needing to be supporting ranks, just "ranks". If supporting was a requirement the wording would (presumably) have been "Create supporting ranks".
So you were correct ;D
Is indeed as intended
Phew - I could have looked rather foolish otherwise, not for the first time ;)
Perhaps part of the problem was that in french "rang" could be translated as "file" in English so "on peut créer un rang dans le rang" or create a rank in the file
Quote from: badhabum on September 10, 2022, 04:58:41 PM
Perhaps part of the problem was that in french "rang" could be translated as "file" in English so "on peut créer un rang dans le rang" or create a rank in the file
This is not the translation that cause the confusion but the intend.
As mentioned previously the rules speak only about bringing more base to fight.
What needs to be mentioned is that creating rank could be done even if it doesn't create claim for the melee.
With respect I disagree. The wording on the QRS is "create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting file."
At no point do the rules say anything about bring more base (sic) to fight.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on September 11, 2022, 05:05:46 PM
With respect I disagree. The wording on the QRS is "create supporting files, fill gaps, create ranks, fight enemy supporting file."
At no point do the rules say anything about bring more base (sic) to fight.
Richard
Page 145 H 1.1 is what Rino is referring to.
Noted for the rules update to PDF. Just remove the words "into the fight".
In the update will be trying to ensure everything is consistent and have more examples.