Green infantry charged sandy cavalry in the rear and kills one base.
A. Did we do the alignment correctly?
B. Is there any way the set-back infantry bases can get into combat with the rears of the bases in front of them, e.g. using MF1 or a charge in a later turn?
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A: Yes.
B: They are unengaged bases so using MF moves you can use them to create new fiiles. The file on the left is not a supporting file so could be subject to a forced charge unless missile focussed.
Quote from: lionheartrjc on August 23, 2022, 08:49:30 PM
A: Yes.
B: They are unengaged bases so using MF moves you can use them to create new fiiles. The file on the left is not a supporting file so could be subject to a forced charge unless missile focussed.
If I create new files, they won't be fighting anything.
If they are missile focussed can they use a card to charge?
I thought neither of the set-back files were supporting files because they are set back.
The file on the left can charge up to 1BW directly ahead (must be prompted if missile focussed) p119. The file on the right is not a supporting file so MF1 moves are needed to create a new file, probably as a supporting file (by moving forward). "New file" in this context is a file that is supporting as opposed to a file that isn't.
Richard
Once the right hand file has advanced to become a supporting file. it would then be within 1 BW of the enemy in front of it. Would that allow it to charge next turn?
Quote from: LawrenceG on August 24, 2022, 08:02:24 AM
Once the right hand file has advanced to become a supporting file. it would then be within 1 BW of the enemy in front of it. Would that allow it to charge next turn?
No, once it becomes a supporting file it is engaged in combat. Only files that are not engaged in combat can charge. (p 119 again)
Richard
And it's not possible to edge it forward into charge range while remaining not a supporting file?
No as that is not an allowed move for MF1 moves.
Seems a bit counter-intuitive that a base with an enemy rear right in front of it can't attack it.
But it might be an edge-case that would take more effort to legislate for than it's worth.
Usually if it has enemy directly in front of it who do not have somebody fighting them I would expect it can make an MF1 move to create a new fighting file or supporting file..
Must confess I was unsure why you were asking if it could be moved up to possibly be allowed to charge whilst remaining an unengaged file - seemed simpler just to move it into contact to me. I might have misunderstood what you were trying to do though.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on August 24, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Usually if it has enemy directly in front of it who do not have somebody fighting them I would expect it can make an MF1 move to create a new fighting file or supporting file..
Must confess I was unsure why you were asking if it could be moved up to possibly be allowed to charge whilst remaining an unengaged file - seemed simpler just to move it into contact to me. I might have misunderstood what you were trying to do though.
Simply moving into contact isn't an MF1 move, is it?
At the charge, when the loose foot impact the mounted in the rear, could the charging unit not conform before rolling impact so has to be on the same line as the defender and the "right " base would then be in support position as parallel to the central base still in contact
Quote from: LawrenceG on August 24, 2022, 01:51:08 PM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on August 24, 2022, 12:59:38 PM
Usually if it has enemy directly in front of it who do not have somebody fighting them I would expect it can make an MF1 move to create a new fighting file or supporting file..
Must confess I was unsure why you were asking if it could be moved up to possibly be allowed to charge whilst remaining an unengaged file - seemed simpler just to move it into contact to me. I might have misunderstood what you were trying to do though.
Simply moving into contact isn't an MF1 move, is it?
It is if it to fight enemy supporting files (don't think that one applies to your example though) or to create a supporting file (which can mean some form of contact).
Quote from: badhabum on August 24, 2022, 04:34:09 PM
At the charge, when the loose foot impact the mounted in the rear, could the charging unit not conform before rolling impact so has to be on the same line as the defender and the "right " base would then be in support position as parallel to the central base still in contact
I fear I must try it differently
Picture one is the situation after the chargers have moved.
Could the infantry TUG not conform to the defender by slightly pivoting and aligning the infantry bases so that the front of their base would be correctly aligned with the rear of the cavalry and so picture 2 would be different as the right file ( on the picture ) would be there as a support file ?
Conforming could have happened in the Charge Phase before dice were rolled.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on August 25, 2022, 07:42:05 AM
Conforming could have happened in the Charge Phase before dice were rolled.
Thanks and that would have been much better for the attacker 8)
I must admit I fail to understand how it conformed by picture 2 as even if a base was "killed" , the attacker should have remained as a supporting file which, unless I am wrong, would have been the case if it had not conformed so late ..it would have fought "as if"
I know this is an old post but need to understand,
In the second picture IF this is this is the correct alignment as you say, then in current position both the left and Right hand files are not supporting files
The left hand file can't be a supporting file but has the option of charging or maybe being forced to charge, next charge Phase
Does the right hand file have the option to either move to create a supporting file so wont be able to declare a charge OR stay in position and charge in next charge phase
The charge for a file of a UG that is in combat cannot exceed 1BW.
Therefore, the right-hand file cannot charge, but unengaged bases have the option of moving up to create a supporting file. The left-hand file is within 1BW so can charge.
(Right and left being from the perspective of the diagram - not the UG).
Richard
Thank you forgot the "can only charge 1BW"👍