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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: Francis Small on May 20, 2022, 08:50:17 PM

Title: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: Francis Small on May 20, 2022, 08:50:17 PM
The rules do not allow you to push back a SuG that is in terrain. (p. 80 #17) Technically, both hills (even without additional terrain) and Open Areas left on the board are terrain, and so would prevent you from pushing back SuGs that are in them. At this point, I think I would rule that gentle hills count as terrain and prevent SuGs from being pushed back, but extending this to Open Areas is a rule pendanticism too far, even for me. Seem reasonable, or does allowing SuGs to not be pushed back on gentle hills seem ridiculous as well? (but... but... it's terrain!)
Title: Re: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: Jilu on May 20, 2022, 09:44:09 PM
are open areas not removed after terrain has been placed?
Title: Re: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: Francis Small on May 21, 2022, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: Jilu on May 20, 2022, 09:44:09 PM
are open areas not removed after terrain has been placed?

But, Your Honor, the QRS for Open Area under the Special Rules clearly states "Leave on table for show or remove." Now, the prosecutor may make some spurious argument that "for show" negates any effect of the open area terrain piece, but since my client elected to leave the terrain piece on the table, and since the terrain piece has a description of terrain under the terrain column, it clearly qualifies as terrain and thus indemnifies my client from being pushed around.

(Maybe I shouldn't have binge watched the entire season of "Lincoln Lawyer" last night.)
Title: Re: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: nikgaukroger on May 21, 2022, 05:30:45 AM
Try reading page 111 and the section on pushing back enemy SUGs.
Title: Re: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: Jilu on May 21, 2022, 11:57:31 AM
Quote from: Francis Small on May 21, 2022, 12:12:31 AM
Quote from: Jilu on May 20, 2022, 09:44:09 PM
are open areas not removed after terrain has been placed?

But, Your Honor, the QRS for Open Area under the Special Rules clearly states "Leave on table for show or remove." Now, the prosecutor may make some spurious argument that "for show" negates any effect of the open area terrain piece, but since my client elected to leave the terrain piece on the table, and since the terrain piece has a description of terrain under the terrain column, it clearly qualifies as terrain and thus indemnifies my client from being pushed around.

(Maybe I shouldn't have binge watched the entire season of "Lincoln Lawyer" last night.)

In this case lets take the Law.
Page 70
Open Area ; flat ground clear of any terrain.
So it is not terrain as it is clear of any terrain.

Title: Re: Pushing SuGs in terrain
Post by: Francis Small on May 21, 2022, 11:41:20 PM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on May 21, 2022, 05:30:45 AM
Try reading page 111 and the section on pushing back enemy SUGs.

Don't be coy Nik - tell the class what you know.  ;)

OK, what Nik is referring to (I presume) is that the rule on p. 111 further clarifies that the SuG is not pushed back in terrain when it has not been contacted in good going.

All is right with the world, and I withdraw my (ahem, ludicrous) assertions.

I'm still billing the client, though.