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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: Ambiorix on April 08, 2022, 05:17:59 PM

Title: Supporting Shatter/Shove
Post by: Ambiorix on April 08, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
As this has been ruled differently in the past I would like to have an official clarification of the following :

Suppose 3 bases A B C fighting in front with shove or shatter capabilities.
A and B are facing enemies while C is supporting.

If C creates a shove/shatter (rolling S or Skull) as a supporting file/overlap, does A benefits from the
shatter/shove created by the combat of B, supported by C ?

Thx
Title: Re: Supporting Shatter/Shove
Post by: Ambiorix on April 08, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
just noticed this new 'clarification' :
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF "FIGHTING"? Fighting = a file rolling combat dice. NB as supporting files do not
roll dice themselves, but add dice to the fighting file this means that supporting files are "engaged" but not
"fighting";
So it appears that shove causes by C does count - as it is B who was fighting...

Thx for confirmation.
Title: Re: Supporting Shatter/Shove
Post by: lionheartrjc on April 08, 2022, 05:36:27 PM
The concept is that Supporting Files add dice to the file in combat.

Note also that it works the other way around as well.  If A causes a shatter, C gets the benefit of the shatter as page 146 talks about working out the claims as if it was in the position of the base it is supporting.

Richard
Title: Re: Supporting Shatter/Shove
Post by: nikgaukroger on April 08, 2022, 08:15:50 PM
Quote from: Ambiorix on April 08, 2022, 05:26:33 PM
just noticed this new 'clarification' :
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF "FIGHTING"? Fighting = a file rolling combat dice. NB as supporting files do not
roll dice themselves, but add dice to the fighting file this means that supporting files are "engaged" but not
"fighting";
So it appears that shove causes by C does count - as it is B who was fighting...

See, I did know what I was talking about  ;)

The thing is to not think of the supporting file as causing anything, only the fighting file.
Title: Re: Supporting Shatter/Shove
Post by: LawrenceG on June 08, 2022, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: Ambiorix on April 08, 2022, 05:17:59 PM
As this has been ruled differently in the past I would like to have an official clarification of the following :

Suppose 3 bases A B C fighting in front with shove or shatter capabilities.
A and B are facing enemies while C is supporting.

If C creates a shove/shatter (rolling S or Skull) as a supporting file/overlap, does A benefits from the
shatter/shove created by the combat of B, supported by C ?

Thx

OK, I have sort of the opposite question:

A's opponent scores a  shove in melee.
Does C (the supporting file)'s dice take into account the +1 for b's opponent?

Looks as though the answer is yes.