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Mortem et Gloriam Army Lists => List Queries => Topic started by: Ludwig on December 09, 2021, 12:38:10 AM

Title: What are Horse Killers
Post by: Ludwig on December 09, 2021, 12:38:10 AM
What are Horse Killers and if that is a new combat quality where are the new cheat sheets with that infor in English?
Thanks,
Lenney
Title: Re: What are Horse Killers
Post by: Edouard De Caen on December 09, 2021, 02:44:31 AM
Few army lists are concerned : Spartan, some Greeks, etc. Check here : https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/meg/2021/12/08/2022-pack-now-released/

In each concerned lists the rules is written. Just open the PDF and make a search.

I have no idea about the historical context but the rule is interesting.
Title: Re: What are Horse Killers
Post by: lionheartrjc on December 09, 2021, 06:21:01 AM
"Horse Killers" are mentioned by Julius Caesar in describing German cavalry.  Each cavalryman was accompanied by a warrior who held onto the horses mane.  In combat the warrior would hamstring enemy horses.

The ancient Greeks used a similar tactic - the Greek term is hammipoi.

The effect of this list characteristic is that each TuG of cavalry with the characteristic uses a marker (typically a skirmisher base).  As long as the cavalry do not exceed the movement distance of skirmishers (e.g. 4 BW in the open) then the marker remains in place. If however they evaded and moved more than the movement distance of skirmishers then the marker is removed.  With the marker in place, they fight other cavalry as if they have the melee expert characteristic.

Some historians have suggested other Balkan peoples (such as Thracians) also used the tactic.  However there is no firm evidence for this - but it might be considered for scenario games.

Richard
Title: Re: What are Horse Killers
Post by: WillR on December 09, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
Almost sounds like some descriptions/ interpretations of Chariot Runners from the Bronze Age.
Title: Re: What are Horse Killers
Post by: lionheartrjc on December 10, 2021, 06:52:21 AM
Quote from: WillR on December 09, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
Almost sounds like some descriptions/ interpretations of Chariot Runners from the Bronze Age.

We did actually consider this.

The only evidence for the idea of chariot runners is the third man on the Hittite Chariots in the Egyptian depictions of the Battle of Qadesh. They do not appear anywhere else in the ancient record and there is no word for chariot runner in any ancient language.  The third men on Hittite chariots were probably not chariot runners but infantry transported on the chariots to attack the Egyptian camp.

If you prefer the idea of chariot runners in scenario games then go for it.