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Mortem et Gloriam Players forum => Player Discussion => Topic started by: Plantagenet on October 21, 2021, 06:37:01 AM

Title: Basic Combats - Dice to Roll (Diagram p.140)?
Post by: Plantagenet on October 21, 2021, 06:37:01 AM
Spent a while trying to fathom this diagram and just want to clarify whether my understanding is wrong or if the wording in the diagram at the bottom of page 140 is wrong / confusing.  In the top left box within the diagram concerning the Roman TUG's factors it says:

Charge Combat
General: +1 for better quality / Preferred: +2 for Impact Weapon. 

Melee
General: +1 for better quality / Preferred: +2 for Foot Melee Expert.

As it's written the claims seem to be EXACTLY the same in both phases so I couldn't fathom why for the Charge phase the Romans are YELLOW vs Hoplites WHITE and yet for Melee it's GREEN vs WHITE?

Checking against the QRS though, and IF I've got it right, the Foot Melee Expert claim in the Melee phase should actually be +1 and the +2 as listed would in this instance be a cumulative figure for both the General and Preferred claims taken together.  It thus seems that the examples have switched between listing single factors in the Charge phase with a +1 AND a +2 for a cumulative (the information that's missing?) +3 giving them a net +2 advantage after taking into account the Hoplites +1, giving the Romans a YELLOW vs WHITE.

In the Melee phase however, from the QRS is seems that the Roman claims should be +1 for better quality AND +1 for Melee Expert for a cumulative of +2.  So in this case the +2 is the cumulative of the two +1s whereas in the Charge phase they are two separate factors with the cumulative missing, despite being written exactly the same way?  Thus in the Melee Phase it's actually Romans a total +2 vs Hoplites +1 for a net +1 to the Romans and therefore GREEN vs WHITE.

Is this right (and the top left box is wrong / confusing) or have I got it totally wrong?  If I'm right I presume the +2 Foot Melee Expert is merely a typo and should be +1.

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Title: Re: Basic Combats - Dice to Roll (Diagram p.140)?
Post by: badhabum on October 21, 2021, 11:07:12 AM
I fear there is a mistake as QRS is right.

Impact :
The greek hoplites being average would have a  + 1 for LS in 2 ranks
The SUP roman legionaries would get a  + 3 as they have +1 for being sup, +2 for being impact weapon

So final the romans have a +2 vs the hoplites

Melee
The greek hoplites being average would have a  + 1 for LS in 2 ranks
The SUP roman legionaries would get a  + 2 as they have +1 for being sup, +1 for beingmelee expert

So final the romans have a +1 vs the hoplites

Note that dice colours are right
Title: Re: Basic Combats - Dice to Roll (Diagram p.140)?
Post by: Plantagenet on October 21, 2021, 02:52:51 PM
Yeah I figured that the most likely reason was a typo in the example with the +2 for Foot Melee Expert that should be a +1.  Had me scratching my head for a while though.  Great having diagrams to aid understanding, would help much more if they were accurate though  ::)  Would even help if the typo had made it to the FAQ / Errata, the rules have been out a while now.