As an example:
If a SuG declares a charge on another SuG and the opponent skirmishes away through a TuG and the TuG is in range and in the path of the declared charge
The SuG could not declare a charge on a TuG normally unless it is just a would away from breaking.
I cannot find a mention or mechanic for the SuG pulling up short.
Does the SuG die on contact with the TuG unless the TuG is 1 wound away from breaking or does a melee happen as normal, albeit at bad factors for the SuG with the combat bonuses for the TuG?
Quote from: RogerW on September 09, 2021, 04:30:13 PM
As an example:
If a SuG declares a charge on another SuG and the opponent skirmishes away through a TuG and the TuG is in range and in the path of the declared charge
The SuG could not declare a charge on a TuG normally unless it is just a would away from breaking.
Within 1
base of breaking.
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I cannot find a mention or mechanic for the SuG pulling up short.
Maybe there isn't one ...
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Does the SuG die on contact with the TuG unless the TuG is 1 wound away from breaking or does a melee happen as normal, albeit at bad factors for the SuG with the combat bonuses for the TuG?
Page 84 6.4 probably helps here - "SUGs that are caught by TUGs in
good going are
broken immediately and removed
unless the TUG is within 1 base of breaking such that the SUG could charge them."
Thanks for the clary on wound / base..my bad, doing it from memory.
Being caught by the TuG would imply the TuG is charging the SuG not actually being a revealed target of the SuG charge, they have not caught them as such
In the 2019 clarifications - "A Charging SuG or Flexible TuG in skirmish order that has declared a charge cannot then Run Away or Skrimish. They fight any enemy chargers, counterchargers or interceptors that they hit."
I would also take it that they fight any troops that stand to receive their charge.
SuGs are only destroyed without a fight if contacted by a TuG when running away or skirmishing and the TuG is not within 1 base of breaking (page 84). If they are already in combat, the TuG contacting them is not in the open, they are entirely in rough or difficult terrain and chose to stand, defending barricades or obstacles or have already declared a charge then they are NOT destroyed. SuGs may charge other SuGs. SuGs may charge TuGs within 1 base of breaking.
Richard
QuoteSuGs are only destroyed without a fight if contacted by a TuG when running away or skirmishing and the TuG is not within 1 base of breaking (page 84)
It is slightly different : SUGs that are caught by TUGs in good going are broken immediatly and removed from the table UNLESS the TUG is within 1 base of breaking such as the SUG could charge them. The TUGs xharge the continues its full distance .
So, the SUG does not need to SK or run away to be destroyed .But there is another mather . The rule is clear, the SUG dissapear at the moment of contact and the chargers continue the charge ..so the SUG is not destroyed at the end of the charge phase but during the charge phase as some try to have us belive. But if I am correct the KAB testis at the end of the charge phase ( 2.8 )
Quote from: badhabum on September 09, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
QuoteSuGs are only destroyed without a fight if contacted by a TuG when running away or skirmishing and the TuG is not within 1 base of breaking (page 84)
It is slightly different : SUGs that are caught by TUGs in good going are broken immediatly and removed from the table UNLESS the TUG is within 1 base of breaking such as the SUG could charge them. The TUGs xharge the continues its full distance .
So, the SUG does not need to SK or run away to be destroyed
its not different as SUGs that are charged by TUG's in circumstances where they would be auto destroyed if contacted are required to runaway or skirmish... p126
Quote from: badhabum on September 09, 2021, 07:33:49 PM
QuoteSuGs are only destroyed without a fight if contacted by a TuG when running away or skirmishing and the TuG is not within 1 base of breaking (page 84)
It is slightly different : SUGs that are caught by TUGs in good going are broken immediatly and removed from the table UNLESS the TUG is within 1 base of breaking such as the SUG could charge them. The TUGs xharge the continues its full distance .
So, the SUG does not need to SK or run away to be destroyed .But there is another mather . The rule is clear, the SUG dissapear at the moment of contact and the chargers continue the charge ..so the SUG is not destroyed at the end of the charge phase but during the charge phase as some try to have us belive. But if I am correct the KAB testis at the end of the charge phase ( 2.8 )
I disagree - Page 84. SuGs that are caught - this implies they are skirmishing or running away. If it used the wording "SuGs that are contacted" - then you might be correct. Caught implies the SuG was running away or skirmishing.
Richard
There has been a storm on WhatsApp about what happens if a SuG charges another SuG which evades to reveal a TuG. Can the SuG continue the charge into the TuG?
In the 2019 clarifications it says "It is not intended that SuGs charge TuGs, except when a TuG is near breaking. When a SuG charges another SuF, and a stationary enemy TuG is revealed as a target, the SUG stops 1BW from it unless the TuG is within 1 base of breaking."
I will confirm a ruling with Simon H, but my view is that this clarification is still valid. As an Umpire I will rule it in this fashion, unless Simon H decides otherwise.
Personally I think allowing the SuG to charge into the TuG in these circumstances would open up too many unintended consequences.
Richard
Thank you Richard. A storm indeed as well as a lot of vitriol. I await the ruling with interest.
Storm is not finished, OK now a SUG charges another SUG who evades, but in the following sequences a TUG charges and hits the charging SUG that got in the way by charging or just could not evade because it chargee ..so is it not caught in the open during charge phase ? ..what happens ? It may not SK, nor run away ..and should be destroyed on contact but may not as it did not run away .
A clarification will be issued.
Assuming good going and that the TuG is not within a base of breaking. The SuG charges, the target avoids contact and the charging SuG is then contacted by a charging TuG later in the same sub-phase then it will be destroyed and removed immediately and the TuG will continue its charge move. (I believe this has always been the case).
Richard