P114 says that a suG can be displaced to make room for a TuG
The clarifications state that this is limited to be 1 MU, 'as to be consistent with the universal rule (p80, 16).
a)I don't think it goes against the universal rules if during the movement phase SuGs can be displaced by more than 1MU. I agree that it is more consistent but the rules were written to allow a displacement of more than 1 MU
b) If this clarification stands, From a game play perspective, it will often be really, really fiddly to measure, as we will have to measure a TuG moving AND a SuG moving. At times this move may have to be simultaneous - remember the SuG can be pretty much displaced in any direction.
I can envisage lots of testy arguments about the measuring when it is a near thing - if I can't do it this way, I'll do it that way involving lots of careful measurement and really slowing down the game.
I agree that it is weird to see SuGs been teleported around the battlefield but it just speeds things up. I know this was Simon's original intention and most players do this.
I consider this 'clarification' to be a significant change in rules. It will make psioli screens very difficult to employ, particularly ahead of pikes
not sure its more difficult to place a square 1BW marker in the direction you intend to displace the SUG? then temporarily remove the SUG bases closest to the tug to see if it 'fits'?
Quote from: jasonbroomer on September 09, 2021, 11:23:01 AM
P114 says that a suG can be displaced to make room for a TuG
I consider this 'clarification' to be a significant change in rules. It will make psioli screens very difficult to employ, particularly ahead of pikes
how? what do you envisage getting harder about it?
how? what do you envisage getting harder about it?
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The Ps will get in the way of your own fighting troops
Quote from: jasonbroomer on September 09, 2021, 01:56:15 PM
how? what do you envisage getting harder about it?
The Ps will get in the way of your own fighting troops
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only if you dont tug a sug? so the mechanisms already exist to keep things moving
If you want to displace a foot SuG to the side, the movement is limited to < 1 BW. But if, say, a pike block starts moving through a foot SuG and doesn't move completely through it, the foot SuG is simply displaced to the rear - there is no 1 BW limitation. (See this handy guide (https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1712.0;attach=536) for the rules references.)
Quote from: jasonbroomer on September 09, 2021, 11:23:01 AM
P114 says that a suG can be displaced to make room for a TuG
The clarifications state that this is limited to be 1 BW, 'as to be consistent with the universal rule (p80, 16).
a)I don't think it goes against the universal rules if during the movement phase SuGs can be displaced by more than 1BW. I agree that it is more consistent but the rules were written to allow a displacement of more than 1 BW
I do not understand this logic at all. The rule on page 80 says that a SuG cannot be displaced by more than 1BW. This is a universal rule - universal means universal. Page 114 never says anything about how far the SuG may be displaced, therefore the universal rule applies. This is what has been clarified.
Measuring may be tricky, but you cannot just change the rules (only Simon can do that -
or an Umpire inadvertently by getting the rule wrong :) ).
Richard