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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: craig.w on February 14, 2019, 10:47:53 AM

Title: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: craig.w on February 14, 2019, 10:47:53 AM
Hello,

Can a unit countercharge if it is already within 1BW? In this case a TUG was being charged from the flank by a TUG which was within 1BW. If it could wheel it could prevent the flank charge. I thought that not being able to countercharge to within 1BW would also mean that you can't wheel towards the chargers if already within 1BW and so the TUG couldn't move at all. My opponent disagreed and thought the wheel should be allowed.

Thanks,

Craig

Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: lionheartrjc on February 14, 2019, 12:28:23 PM
No countercharge is possible within 1BW of an enemy.  9.4C4.3 (p73) states that a countercharge may not go closer than 1BW to the unit that is countercharging or intercepting.

(My response to anyone who says it is already within 1BW therefore it can do it would be don't be such an idiot.  It is like the player I met in a WWII game who tried to claim that aircraft could move more hexes along a road because the rules said that roads added 2 hexes to movement distances!). 

Richard
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on February 15, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
And if it moves it clearly goes closer than 1BW .... who cares where it started.
Could be more elegant I accept, but if you can't see the the intent in that ones it's a
"shoulda gone to specsavers" moment for sure.   ??? ;D

Si
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: craig.w on February 17, 2019, 08:57:29 AM
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on February 15, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
And if it moves it clearly goes closer than 1BW .... who cares where it started.
Could be more elegant I accept, but if you can't see the the intent in that ones it's a
"shoulda gone to specsavers" moment for sure.   ??? ;D

Si

I saw the intent - my opponent didn't  ;)
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: Rino on February 22, 2019, 09:37:45 AM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on February 14, 2019, 12:28:23 PM
No countercharge is possible within 1BW of an enemy.  9.4C4.3 (p73) states that a countercharge may not go closer than 1BW to the unit that is countercharging or intercepting.


But would SUG be considered as enemy limiting countercharge movement or Is that restricted to TUG?
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on February 22, 2019, 01:39:46 PM
Simply countercharger to charger so same for SuGs and TuGs.
Assuming SuG can charge a weakened TuG that is...

Si
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: Rino on February 22, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
Well I will write it clearer
one tug want to do some interception / countercharge.
One enemy sug is within 1 BW
Can the tug make the countercharge ?
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: lionheartrjc on February 22, 2019, 04:46:45 PM
It may not go closer than 1BW of the UG that is charging it (that might be a SuG or a TuG).  Other UGs do not affect it.
Title: Re: Countercharging and wheeling if already within 1BW
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on February 26, 2019, 05:23:32 AM
Indeed cannot go nearer than 1BW, which it clearly does by the way if it moves starting within 1BW.
I could have worded it slightly better.
BUT this only applies to the enemy charging UG(s) it is responding to, not any other UG. 
So it could for instance intercept down the front of enemy bowmen and take lots of shots from them.

Si