In our club we are accustomed to rolling overlaps together with the engaged troops- po example, my file in contact rolls a white, the overlap rolls a black, and both dice are rolled together.
Is it proposer to roll the main file first and apply any shove result to the overlap? We talked it over and decided to go on rolling together, but i wondered.
Supporting files add a die to the fighting file so are rolled at the same time. Page 146 I 2 covers it.
Thanks, Nik!
So... let's see if I have this hypothetical correct:
If the fighting file has the shove characteristic and rolls a white die while the supporting file does not have the shove characteristic and rolls a black die, you can claim a shove result if either die rolls an "S", even the black die. (The die adds to the fighting dice - the fighting file can claim shove - you don't care about the characteristics of the supporting file.)
Whereas if the fighting file does not have shove and the supporting file does have shove, you can't claim a shove result when rolling an "S" on either dice. (The fighting file can't claim shove - and the characteristics of the supporting file matter not.)
QuoteWhereas if the fighting file does not have shove and the supporting file does have shove, you can't claim a shove result when rolling an "S" on either dice. (The fighting file can't claim shove - and the characteristics of the supporting file matter not.)
I believe this is the correct way
Actually, I think Nik said the opposite. S results just don't help here as between these two files. The dice are rolled together and an S. On one does not change the (already rolled) dies to a better color.
This is not for the current roll but for the shove effect on the next file along.
I believe that Francis's statements are indeed correct
I am confused now. I have a combat where 2 files of Roman legionaries in close formation are fighting a unit of loose order troops. Assume the file in direct melee is on white, the support is on black. May I roll the black first and upgrade the unit in melee to green is the black die is an S? Or not? I assumed not, but now I am confused.
Quote from: AntiokosIII on July 22, 2021, 09:49:35 PM
I am confused now. I have a combat where 2 files of Roman legionaries in close formation are fighting a unit of loose order troops. Assume the file in direct melee is on white, the support is on black. May I roll the black first and upgrade the unit in melee to green is the black die is an S? Or not? I assumed not, but now I am confused.
Your original assumption is correct. You roll the two dice simultaneously. Then assuming another file beyond the original two, if either die is an S, the adjacent fighting file gets the benefit of shove.
Is the overlap dice downgraded one from the file that is actually fighting, or one from what the overlapping file would have had if they were fighting the enemy file directly?
Calculate the claims for the supporting file separately, then downgrade it a colour.
Richard