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Hello fellow Meg players !!

So suppose you have a tug of English long bowmen behind obstacles. It is clear from the rules that you can cross the obstacles by losing 2 bw in the movement phase. You do so.

In the next round you you shoot an enemy tug at 5 bw. In the movement phase you move first and you want to go back behind the obstacles. Only there is no way you can do that if you fall back you lose 2 bw from crossing the obstacles so you can't move. If you turn 180 and move you also lose 1bw from this manouvre and you move 2 bw so again you can't cross because you lose 2 bw from crossing the obstacles.

The only way to cross is to turn 180 in one round, move ahead in the next round and cross. Turn 180 in the third round to face the enemy.

Is that correct ? Assume that thta the back row of bases touches the obstacles, so the only distance that you have to cross to get behind the obstacles is 1 bw going back.

Thanks in advance !!

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

I think the rules are extremely generous to allow moving through obstacles in the first place.

Richard

Thank you for your answer !!

So it's better to get the barricades instead that while crossing you lose only 1 bw using a yellow card, they provide cover form shooting that the obstacles do not and you don't have the limitaton of the enemy having to be more than 2 bw away to cross it. So with 2 yellow cards assuming the same position you just fall back in the barricades.

That's the clarification I wanted.

That is one that might be discussed.

We know that pushing trough fire may be used when a UG is slowed down by FIRING or by SHIELDCOVER . Even fleeing or SK might use that possibility.

But recovering move because of a barricade is a step I would not take as it is due to terrain not shooting ar shooting related such as shieldcover. .

When you use a yellow card to go back in the barricades you do not recover any move. You just need a yellow card to cross the barricade in any direction, in both moving out and moving back in.

I am not sure what you mean by saying " is a step I would not take ". You mean that it is not allowed to do so, it should not be allowed to do so by the rules, or that it is not a good move as a tactic? Sorry my English is not perfect !!

If you mean that it is not a good strategy I beg to differ. As a long bowman you can easily move out of the barricades make 2 or 3 rounds of shooting using fall back and then go back in the barricades where you defend as an average Roman legion +2 in the charge phase and +1 in the melee phase. It is almost unbeatable.

I am sorry if I was not clear.

The second yellow card is in fact an upgraded red card used for the long bowmen tug to fall back assuming you have a general in the block. So the cards to fall back behind the barricades assuming that the back row of your tug is in contact with them is a yellow to cross the barricades, a red or an upgraded yellow to fall back as a formed tug and a green to move all the group or block of long bowmen behind the barricades. And it's tottaly worth it. 

It was the "fallback" that make me not understand your idea sorry .

I thought you wanted to push your movement quicker ..totaly misread

But beware your idea might be ..difficult to play and very beatable surely by roman foot

You shoot before you turn ..the romans will approach get near charge range or even charge range ( they have shield cover and may push trough fire ) . next turn before you cross your own barricades they can take you in the back ! or if you move trough you barricades move forward and the turn after charge before you are back in position and still catch you in the back so IMO you will not be defending barricades but he will stil get you in a very bad position !

But try ..;

I don't know in which sentence did I say that I will turn my back to the enemy using barricades.

I did say that to describe a non feasible strategy when using obstacles. There is a difference. To cross the obstacles you lose 2 bw. So you can't cross them facing the enemy using "fall back" movement M13.

However when crossing barricades you lose only 1bw so, assuming your back row touches the barricades but still facing the enemy you go back behind the barricades using an M13. You lose 1 bw while crossing and you fall back 1 bw to defend the barricades.

Assuming that the Roman block of Legions has all the cards it needs to prompt through fire AND recover it's use of shield cover you still can shoot at him when you are at 5 bw, then at 4 bw, then at 3bw which is the shooting during the charge that you will receive. It is 9 black dice. And then you play on par.

And I admit that this not very effective shooting against tugs that have shield cover. But it is much more effective against those that do not have shield cover, 9 white dice statistically is 3 wounds and then you fight +2 in the charge phase and +1 in melee phase. Not bad for tug that you have paid about 600 points to get. I don't even need to discuss the possibility that you do all this using skilled long bowmen.

I am describing all that because I saw it happening in a game I played against the Early 100 years English as Medieval Scottish. And I believe that it's a good strategy to share with you.

I had 2 MU in mind sorry but still, take your barricades ! I will ignore them and go somewhere else as behing your barricades you will gain "immobility" ! and if you have lots of barricades you have less TUGS . if you barricade the whole army there is no game  8) might be fun

One thing is for sure !! You would beat me barricades or not as I am an average player !!

But another " No game " argument ?

If I take my wooden long bow to go out in the open to face charging lancers, Roman Legions or Almoghavars "it's a game ". If I use my "heavy armour" it's a " no game "!!

Thankfully mr. Hall has saved us all from the endless " no game " discussions.

Whoever says "no game" gets 2 point and loses the potential to gain another 13. And of course he will have his reasons to make such a decision.

But anyway....

I'd like to continue this discussion with a beer on hand. I will be in Athens Tournament in November and in Belgium Tournament in January.

Hope to see you there !!

I will be at Athens and organise IWC2022  8)

The problem with the "barricade strategy" is immobility and the fact that if your own position is too strongh no one will come to get at you but you will be on the defensive and going out is dangerous so  2-2  8) 

But a barricade or 2 might be interesting