Looking at the rules I seem to have come across an obscure inconsistency.
A floating army commander in combat cannot gift cards 9.1.B.6.1 (page 91).
A professional army commander directly leading troops in combat can apparently gift cards (9.1.B.6.2 doesn't mention they can't).
Am I missing anything?
Richard
Think you're right.
oops - that doesn't seem right!
Not being mentioned in one place doesn't mean that the rule doesn't exist - at least in this ruleset! The gifting/combat rule did vex me, but not in this way. My question was: if a sub-general is in combat can you gift that general cards?
As for floating vs. non-floating gifting when in combat, it seems pretty clear that the rules must be the same. (The "Sometimes wrong, never in doubt" rule may apply here ::) )
- Violates common sense that the rule would be different for floating vs. non-floating commander. (But reliance on common sense is a weak argument)
- QRS states "General fighting in combat: no gifting possible" (Note no mention of type of general - but of course didn't I just argue that not being mentioned doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist?)
For me, the "preponderance of the evidence" comes down on the side of consistent behavior for floating/non-floating commanders.
Likewise, I concluded that you can gift cards to sub-generals who are in combat. The QRS does say "no gifting possible", but it's unclear to me if "gifting" refers to the process (both giving and receiving) or the specific act (giving only). I thought the deciding argument was that, much like UGs remain in command of a sub-general regardless of if the UGs are in combat or not, a sub-general should remain in command of the army commander regardless of if the sub-general is in combat or not. More of that dodgy common sense, I know, but it was my best answer I could come up with.
I read it a bit differently
6.1 : the floating general may give up to all his cards to his subordinates but if in combat he looses that specific capacity ( to give cards here and there ) but the CIC can still give orders to the UG he is fighting with . It is better described PG 92 as it clarifies it : any CIC, floating or not, in combat looses the ability to give cards to his subordinates !
Any general in combat is considered "out of command" and has to pay more to give oirders to any UG he is not phisically with .
A floating CIC will still have to use 2 cards to give and order to the UG he is fighting with
Quote from: Francis Small on April 26, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
Not being mentioned in one place doesn't mean that the rule doesn't exist - at least in this ruleset! The gifting/combat rule did vex me, but not in this way. My question was: if a sub-general is in combat can you gift that general cards?
QRS states "General fighting in combat: no gifting possible" (Note no mention of type of general - but of course didn't I just argue that not being mentioned doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist?)
Nothing in the rules indicates a sub-general in combat cannot receive gifted cards. Gifting is the act of giving cards, it isn't the act of receiving cards IMO.
Quote from: Francis Small on April 26, 2021, 06:24:56 PM
QRS states "General fighting in combat: no gifting possible" (Note no mention of type of general - but of course didn't I just argue that not being mentioned doesn't mean the rule doesn't exist?)[
I hadn't spotted this - it does imply an Army Commander leading troops fighting in combat cannot gift cards. Shame the rules don't say this as well to remove any doubt.
Richard
Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 26, 2021, 08:43:28 PM
Nothing in the rules indicates a sub-general in combat cannot receive gifted cards. Gifting is the act of giving cards, it isn't the act of receiving cards IMO.
One might consider "Gifting" in the context of the game to be a process where one general gives a card to another general.
"General fighting in combat" then leaves open the question "Which general?"
It would be worth making this clarification official and maybe updating the QRS to read "AC fighting in combat cannot gift" if that is what Si intended.
I recall a thread on the forum on that topic, maybe over 1 year ago.
Alexander legendary CiC was forbidden to give card to other general not in the unit while he was engaged in combat.
There was a note saying that we could still give cards to general attached with the unit fighting if that general was not fighting.
I don't know if those Claire's from v1 are still valid.
Quote from: Rino on April 27, 2021, 07:48:10 AM
I don't know if those Claire's from v1 are still valid.
The only valid clarries are those currently on the MeG website.
Quote from: nikgaukroger on April 27, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: Rino on April 27, 2021, 07:48:10 AM
I don't know if those Claire's from v1 are still valid.
The only valid clarries are those currently on the MeG website.
Indeed and it appears that they are missing or remaining to be officialized.
Quote from: Rino on April 27, 2021, 07:55:00 AM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on April 27, 2021, 07:52:38 AM
Quote from: Rino on April 27, 2021, 07:48:10 AM
I don't know if those Claire's from v1 are still valid.
The only valid clarries are those currently on the MeG website.
Indeed and it appears that they are missing or remaining to be officialized.
Not sure I follow - clarries dated 02042021 ( or 02-03-2021 on the document due to a typo :P ) are available under Rules on the MeG website. At least they are for me.
I might repeat myself but guys look at page 92 of the compendium ( did you read my answer )
Quote from: badhabum on April 27, 2021, 02:57:36 PM
I might repeat myself but guys look at page 92 of the compendium ( did you read my answer )
I did. The problem is the word "gifting" can be intended to be just those "giving" cards or both those "giving" and "receiving" cards. On reflection I think I prefer the idea that a general who is in combat can neither give (if the Army Commander) nor receive (if a sub-general) cards.
Richard