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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: AshTheKing001 on April 06, 2021, 02:36:04 AM

Title: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: AshTheKing001 on April 06, 2021, 02:36:04 AM
Hello,
Had this come up in a game. Two cavalry TUGs, slightly past each other's front edges, so both can potentially claim a flank charge.
Both declare a charge (the gauls on the left are forced because they have the enemy 1BW directly in front, the romans are prompted).

Romans are active first, so the Roman player activates, wheels, and makes contact with the gallic flank, causing a flank charge and much unhappiness.

Was there a way for the Gauls to react in time?  Countercharge doesn't apply because they are within 1BW of the enemy. 

From my reading of the rules, there is no way to counter this. The active player can move the their unit first and hit a flank.  It feels a bit.. wrong.

Thanks!


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Title: Re: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: lionheartrjc on April 06, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
The Gauls needed to react the turn before.  They needed to ensure they didn't end up in a position where the Romans can get the flank charge in the following turn.

This is where understanding who will be the active player next turn is important and don't leave your flanks open.    It is a significant part of the gamer.
Note:  If there are two such situations, at the same point in the game, because of the alternating turn sequence, the Romans would get to charge one then the Gauls would get to charge the next one.

Second note:  The Gauls probably also have the option of running away although this may result in them being caught in the rear.

Richard
Title: Re: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: nikgaukroger on April 06, 2021, 08:36:00 AM
Quote from: lionheartrjc on April 06, 2021, 07:43:05 AM
Second note:  The Gauls probably also have the option of running away although this may result in them being caught in the rear.

Of course they could choose to Skirmish/Run away to their front which may well be a lot safer in this case  8)
Title: Re: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: Kokor Hekkus on April 06, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
The top right TuG cannot declare a flank charge as it does not have any bases fully behind opponents flank
Title: Re: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: badhabum on April 06, 2021, 10:47:32 AM
Kokor Hekkus is right
Title: Re: Simultaneous flank charges. Is there a way to countercharge?
Post by: AshTheKing001 on April 07, 2021, 07:49:04 PM
Thanks for all the answers!

@Kokor Hekkus  you are totally right. I didn't notice that during the game, but clearly the Roman cav is not quite far enough to be on the flank of the Gauls. 

@nikgaukroger, @lionhartrjc  ah yes, that is one of those things that just takes time to learn when picking up a new system. I assumed that only SUGs can skirmish / run away and missed that missile armed cav can also do that.  Good to know!
And yea, I figured that it comes down to paying attention to player order and avoiding situations like this.