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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: Jersey James on March 15, 2021, 11:08:31 AM

Title: Passing Through Battlewagons
Post by: Jersey James on March 15, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
Page 110 section 5 and 6 (with specific mention to 6.1 and 6.2)

Then Page 184 point 10.

Point 10 notes that any UG can pass through a battlewagon TuG in Line formation. It doesn't note whether that applies to the just the movement phase or to any phase, such as an UG evading a charge.

Page 110 defines bursting through as passing through,  it just adds extra effects if you are a mounted SuG or any TuG with KaB tests.

Can any UG evade through a TuG of Battlewagons in Line without causing a KaB as bursting through is a special type of passing through? (See key question above on point 10 of battlewagons)

(If no is the answer I may have further questions as to the implication of thay for the mechanics of battlewagons and "passing" in various forms

Kind regards

James
Title: Re: Passing Through Battlewagons
Post by: Francis Small on March 16, 2021, 08:12:34 PM
I'm thinking that "All friendly UGs may pass through a battlewagon in line" is meant in the spirit of p. 110 5.3 which says that your army list may declare additional sorts of troops that can pass through each other, and that this is primarily intended to affect what can pass through them in the movement phase - in this case anything if they are in line formation.

As for evades, you're still restricted by p. 110 section 6 - and that really boils down to only allowing infantry SuGs to pass through anything without a KaB, but mounted SuGs will still evade through BWgs in line and cause them a KaB, and mounted TuGs will cause a KaB on both themselves and the BWg.
Title: Re: Passing Through Battlewagons
Post by: Jersey James on March 17, 2021, 07:32:30 AM
Thanks for the response,  I'm not adverse to that being the final clarification either works for me and there's no motive one way or the other.

My question on the first point you've noted is that it doesn't use that text which we're all familiar with from the army lists which also state specific phases relevant to the type of physical movement of the figures that is allowed. Therefore if that's the final clarification point 10 of the Battlewagon rules should be tightened up to say that if its the final ruling.

With the second point I totally agree that the standard rules for bursting through are very clear.  However, bursting through is defined as passing through and as above with point one we have a rule which does not confirm to the archetypal statements associated with the spirit you described. It's not so much a conflict as clarification on words used.

The rules for Battlewagons were in test not long before the compendium was printed and one of the testers agreed the result of the rules printed could indicate a greater freedom of passing through as there's no notes to specify in which phase.

You then hit a logic loop as passing through includes bursting through as the term passing through is used to define it. That would therefor follow as written that when in column nothing can burst through battlewagons and any evading unit that contact's them is destroyed or stops when contacting them (or could be caught as couldn't flee as far)  which then opens up a whole further can of worms. Everything else can burst through everything else meaning you'd need a new rule.

It needs an official carry I think to prevent that logic look and as you said to bring it into line with the other passing through special rules to say what is allowed and in what phases whether its more flexibility fleeing (or even charging in the charge phase) or just in the move phase.

Kind regards