Just back from a game and two things we were not certain on, one more than the other. Easy one first. If a TUG charges another TUG and there is a TUG of 4 archers next to the target TUG, one file of the chargers will enter the 1 BW 'closing fire' range of one file of archers. Is the closing fire mandatory or can the archers choose to hold fire so they can shoot at a more high risk (to them) target that is opposite them in the shooting phase? We worked on the basis that the shoot reaction is compulsory, triggered by the proximity of the changing unit.
Next one when a unit charges and contacts another TUG at an angle there's part of the charge rule where (no book with me now so the wording will be off) a file that hasn't contacted an enemy must continue to move forward up to 1 base width / UD. Absent any wording to the contrary we read it that the uncontacted file has to move forward whether there was anything it could contact or not. This did seem to be pulling TUGs out of shape often though so we started to wonder if an element has to move the extra base width only if it can contact another or the same enemy unit but not if that extra BW won't bring it into contact? We also wondered if they are not obliged to do this move if, by staying where they were, they provide an overlap. We ended up playing this way, a file is only forced to move forward by up to a BW if it will contact an enemy.
In the pic below, the yellow knights are all in the same TUG. They charge and contact a single element knight TUG. When reading the rule it merely says that any file not in contact MUST move ahead up to 1 BW. In this case the file did so but contacted nothing. So we weren't sure if this was intended to pull TUGs out of shape where all the files of a charging unit don't end in contact or whether they are supposed to only do the compulsory move if the CAN contact an enemy.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0drg0efdgx4gim5/MEG1.jpg?dl=0)
I'll add a pic tomorrow as it's, I'm dead tired, and can't for the life of me see where / how to upload an image and the link I'm trying to post using add image doesn't seem to be doing anything, I'll faff around with it more tomorrow.
Just back from a game and two things we were not certain on, one more than the other. Easy one first. If a TUG charges another TUG and there is a TUG of 4 archers next to the target TUG, one file of the chargers will enter the 1 BW 'closing fire' range of one file of archers. Is the closing fire mandatory or can the archers choose to hold fire so they can shoot at a more high risk (to them) target that is opposite them in the shooting phase? We worked on the basis that the shoot reaction is compulsory, triggered by the proximity of the changing unit.
i suspect you are mixing the charge declarations with the charge responses.
Have a look at the QRS turn sequence charge phase
2.5 shoot charges, it is the owning player of the shooters who decides what eligible UG the shooters target
Next one when a unit charges and contacts another TUG at an angle there's part of the charge rule where (no book with me now so the wording will be off) a file that hasn't contacted an enemy must continue to move forward up to 1 base width / UD. Absent any wording to the contrary we read it that the uncontacted file has to move forward whether there was anything it could contact or not. This did seem to be pulling TUGs out of shape often though so we started to wonder if an element has to move the extra base width only if it can contact another or the same enemy unit but not if that extra BW won't bring it into contact? We also wondered if they are not obliged to do this move if, by staying where they were, they provide an overlap. We ended up playing this way, a file is only forced to move forward by up to a BW if it will contact an enemy.
you see if there is a target within 1MU, if there is no target you do not move ahead
In the pic below, the yellow knights are all in the same TUG. They charge and contact a single element knight TUG. When reading the rule it merely says that any file not in contact MUST move ahead up to 1 BW. In this case the file did so but contacted nothing. So we weren't sure if this was intended to pull TUGs out of shape where all the files of a charging unit don't end in contact or whether they are supposed to only do the compulsory move if the CAN contact an enemy.
there is no pic embedded - but is sale as above
I'll add a pic tomorrow as it's, I'm dead tired, and can't for the life of me see where / how to upload an image and the link I'm trying to post using add image doesn't seem to be doing anything, I'll faff around with it more tomorrow.
Shooting at chargers is worded as "can" not "must".
Stepping forward only happens if the file can contact enemy. Page 131 L point 3.
Thanks both.
We had the feeling it was only if the file could contact an enemy that they had to 'overshoot'. Just couldn't find it yesterday as we were trying to rush to keep playing to a tight time limit.
No idea what the problem is with bloody Dropbox and sharing and image. I go to the file, select anyone with link, copy the link, paste it between the img / img brackets and promptly nothing happens, nothing appears whatsoever when I'm viewing the post below the last paragraph. I'll try it from Google Drive instead, never been impressed with Dropbox, even less so now.
(https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fw1KMm0jKd3EhQub5g_9HEVZ7VGxZm-B/view?usp=sharing)
Gave up trying to post an image, nothing I've tried is working so I'm obviously doing something wrong, can't be bothered to waste any more time faffing about to get it to work.