Hi,
I have not posted here much nor read what is already about but figured I would post a couple of questions that came out of a game I played at the weekend.
1) In the pre-battle if you have a 4 point advantage you can go 2 diagonal spaces. Can you go 1 diagonal and 1 orthogonal instead? 2 diagonal was impossible because of the edges of the terrain area.
2) I outscouted a 12 UG army by 20%, that means he has to deploy 3 UGs, a normal batch is 4 UGs so his deployment is 3, 4, 4, 1 or does the extra 1 get counted as part of the last batch. The rules say a batch might be smaller but in this case it meant a fourth batch.
My army in that game was 16 UGs, I deployed 5, 6, 5 so actually the last deployment went to the outscouted force. It felt a bit odd.
Point 2 : the outscouted player deployed 20 % of his force, so you should have done the same which would have been 4 UG, the 6 / 5 /1
Quote from: Hammy on August 26, 2020, 05:25:48 PM
Hi,
I have not posted here much nor read what is already about but figured I would post a couple of questions that came out of a game I played at the weekend.
1) In the pre-battle if you have a 4 point advantage you can go 2 diagonal spaces. Can you go 1 diagonal and 1 orthogonal instead? 2 diagonal was impossible because of the edges of the terrain area.
The options are all "or" so I don't think that you can mix and match - so if the 2 diagonal wasn't possible you would have to choose one of the "lesser" options.
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2) I outscouted a 12 UG army by 20%, that means he has to deploy 3 UGs, a normal batch is 4 UGs so his deployment is 3, 4, 4, 1 or does the extra 1 get counted as part of the last batch. The rules say a batch might be smaller but in this case it meant a fourth batch.
The last batch in this case is 1 UG.
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My army in that game was 16 UGs, I deployed 5, 6, 5 so actually the last deployment went to the outscouted force. It felt a bit odd.
Juaques is correct - your first batch should also have been 20% as you match the percentage that the outscouted had to deploy before moving on to 1/3rds.
Quote from: badhabum on August 26, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
Point 2 : the outscouted player deployed 20 % of his force, so you should have done the same which would have been 4 UG, the 6 / 5 /1
Actually, it is 4 (as your 20%) followed by a 1/3rd (which is 6) and then the next third (also 6) and thus you have completed deployment. 16 UGs is an awkward army size :o
15 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 3/5/5/2
16 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6
17 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6/1
18 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6/2
19 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/7/7/1
20 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/7/7/2
21 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 5/7/7/1
OK by 16 TUG the normal deployment is indeed by 6 ...strange things happens and it is not 4/6/6 but 6/6/4 so in this very particular case yes ...the group of 12 deploying by 4 ...deployed 3/4/4/1 ....the very first time I encounter this 8)
Quote from: nikgaukroger on August 26, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: Hammy on August 26, 2020, 05:25:48 PM
Hi,
I have not posted here much nor read what is already about but figured I would post a couple of questions that came out of a game I played at the weekend.
1) In the pre-battle if you have a 4 point advantage you can go 2 diagonal spaces. Can you go 1 diagonal and 1 orthogonal instead? 2 diagonal was impossible because of the edges of the terrain area.
The options are all "or" so I don't think that you can mix and match - so if the 2 diagonal wasn't possible you would have to choose one of the "lesser" options.
Sure, I could choose 2 orthogonal but there is no option for 1 diagonal and 1 orthogonal hence the question.
Quote from: steads on August 27, 2020, 02:22:35 AM
Quote from: badhabum on August 26, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
Point 2 : the outscouted player deployed 20 % of his force, so you should have done the same which would have been 4 UG, the 6 / 5 /1
Actually, it is 4 (as your 20%) followed by a 1/3rd (which is 6) and then the next third (also 6) and thus you have completed deployment. 16 UGs is an awkward army size :o
15 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 3/5/5/2
16 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6
17 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6/1
18 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/6/6/2
19 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/7/7/1
20 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 4/7/7/2
21 UGs 20% out-scouted gives 5/7/7/1
Yes, my mental maths failed me.
My deployment would have been 4/6/6 but my opponents was 3/4/4/1 which meant that the outscouted side got to deploy the last UG which is actually quite an advantage.
QuoteHi,
I have not posted here much nor read what is already about but figured I would post a couple of questions that came out of a game I played at the weekend.
Good have you back Mr H!
Quote1) In the pre-battle if you have a 4 point advantage you can go 2 diagonal spaces. Can you go 1 diagonal and 1 orthogonal instead? 2 diagonal was impossible because of the edges of the terrain area.
No it is 2 diagonal. It seems to add complexity to have 1+1.
Quote2) I outscouted a 12 UG army by 20%, that means he has to deploy 3 UGs, a normal batch is 4 UGs so his deployment is 3, 4, 4, 1 or does the extra 1 get counted as part of the last batch. The rules say a batch might be smaller but in this case it meant a fourth batch.
QuoteMy army in that game was 16 UGs, I deployed 5, 6, 5 so actually the last deployment went to the outscouted force. It felt a bit odd.The larger will always get some benefit.
Yes would as you say be 3-4-4-1 cf 4-4-4 if not. Quirky.
Interesting little side effect of removing the old minimum when simplifying.
Of course if your scouts were better and managed 30% it would be
4-4-4 and you would be 5-6-6-1 ;-)
The out-scouting really hurts once it gets to 50%+ as then you tend to see 83% of the enemy before you put 50% of yours down. Then you would be
6-4-2
8-6-2
So you then have 8 to deploy when they have just 2 to go. Now its a big deal. Si