Hello, I'm a new member here.
I have the older rules in the file (seperate pages)with the dice and cards.
I'm looking for any errata to update to what I think are the new rules.
I'm looking at playing smaller games pacto or magna games.
Are these available with any new rules updates?
Thanks
Welcome mate.
It is a good question.
There are 2020 updates on the main page but I seem to recall not everything is in there for v2 (I could be in error but battle wagon changes jump to mind as not in the errata/clarification download). And the QRS is apparently a little tweaked in the new rules (still waiting for my new compendium to arrive in Australia so cannot confirm).
I'll let Simon know you asked the question here so he can respond. I recall earlier discussions he said the v1 rules would be 100% compatible with the appropriate downloads as he had some v1 he was selling at half price a month or so ago and mentioned it then (so buying the v2 rules is for neatness not out of necessity), I'm just not sure yet if everything you need to be 100% aligned has been put into the downloads section yet - stay tuned for Simon to get back to you!
Dru
Hi Dru and thanks.
I saw some downloads available in several different places on the website and I think 3 of them are called clarry or clarries.
I just didn't know if I need them all, some or none if these.
It would be good to be able to use my existing rules with the updates and different game sizes.
A single file would be fantastic.
Many thanks,
Dan
I'm interested too having got v1 package recently to see if i would like the system. I bought more dice so i reckon i do :)
No worries gents, I've sent Simon Hall (rules author and the MEG boss) a message asking him to jump on the forums and respond to you.
He's usually pretty prompt.
If you haven't heard anything for a day or so, feel free to send me a message and I'll see if I can lasso him for ya :)
Welcome to the fantastic world of MEG ancients gaming!
Dru
Hey, Simon said he has a family emergency and so hasn't been on the computer as much last few days. He said he'll respond to this thread as soon as he gets back on to the forums.
Just wanted you to know you haven't been forgotten.
Cheers
Dru
Hi all,
I did a changes document every year so I will consolidate them all into. Single vs1 to 2 document next week so you are up to date on the essentials. Have fun.
Si
Hi Si,
Thanks for the update on the updates.
As a new player using the original rules it will be of great help.
I'm looking forward to giving these a run out soon.
Dru thanks for contacting Simon on this.
Dan
No problem.
I have it on the job list for next week.
Hope you get playing soon.
Its a lot of fun and growing very fast right now.
Si
Quote from: Runninghorse on July 04, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
Hi Si,
Thanks for the update on the updates.
As a new player using the original rules it will be of great help.
I'm looking forward to giving these a run out soon.
Dru thanks for contacting Simon on this.
Dan
Hi Dan,
if you really want to be up to date ,buy the Compendium boxed set, it Worth the price ;
there's too much small additions here and there compared to the V1+updates and clarries, not speaking of the NEW RULES inside the Compendium( yes there's some ;) and all of them are nice things for the gameplay), you'll miss a great book and accessories if you don't buy it.
the Compendium is a neat ruleset, the book is well detailed, a new player just need to follow page after page the reading to learn the rules, when you'll play later it will be easier to refer to x page or x chapter ( not struggling with updated pdf's or older V1).
the Compendium is beautiful , full of diagrams,examples of play,the illustrations are top and inspiring.
put your old V1 on the shelves and become a Compendium owner, you won't regret it :)
Regards.
Gilles (the unmasked PUNCH :P )
Quote from: PUNCH on July 06, 2020, 05:28:34 AM
Quote from: Runninghorse on July 04, 2020, 04:12:48 PM
Hi Si,
Thanks for the update on the updates.
As a new player using the original rules it will be of great help.
I'm looking forward to giving these a run out soon.
Dru thanks for contacting Simon on this.
Dan
Hi Dan,
if you really want to be up to date ,buy the Compendium boxed set, it Worth the price ;
there's too much small additions here and there compared to the V1+updates and clarries, not speaking of the NEW RULES inside the Compendium( yes there's some ;) and all of them are nice things for the gameplay), you'll miss a great book and accessories if you don't buy it.
the Compendium is a neat ruleset, the book is well detailed, a new player just need to follow page after page the reading to learn the rules, when you'll play later it will be easier to refer to x page or x chapter ( not struggling with updated pdf's or older V1).
the Compendium is beautiful , full of diagrams,examples of play,the illustrations are top and inspiring.
put your old V1 on the shelves and become a Compendium owner, you won't regret it :)
Regards.
Gilles (the unmasked PUNCH :P )
Thank you Gilles.
Those sort of comments make all the hard work worthwhile ;D
Hi Giles
I hope the compendium isn't such a change from the copy in the folder with the loose leaf files as I was sold this only a couple of weeks ago from the MeG website, if I have been sold something which is now worthless I'll look at getting my money back.
If there is much a change why is this copy still being sold as a starter pack for me to be told to them go buy the rules again?
Dan
Hmm,
My 2 cents (I'm just a player who volunteers some time to help with the forums and not associated with the company or the resellers).
1. To clarify, v1 is 100% compatible, IF you add in the errata, so just to give you reassurance. Looks like Simon said he'll bring all the errata together in a handy format for you and others to make this as seamless as possible. HUZZAH.
* some long time players may very well want to continue using their v1 kit WITH the errata so they have no extra outlay. It is a perfectly legitimate direction. Indeed from my gaming experience its nice the company is making their products backwards compatible - too many of us have shelves of out dated books from other systems.
2. v2 is 'neater' as it has all the errata folded in and had new pretty army pictures (not mine alas because I missed the cut off ugh). So it IS a nicer product but with the errata into v1 the same outcome. I think the ease of it (no adding errata) and the pretty look and feel is why it was suggested you get it, by someone in this thread. It seems well intended if not well considered (ie: "go buy something else when you are asking for help to use what you just got" may not be the most tact response someone could of posted). Take it as it was intended. The community is wonderful here.
* I PERSONALLY bought the new one because I am lazy and like things neat. I didn't want to print off and include the finale errata...
3. I know there was a 50% off on some websites I saw, for v1 stocks to be run down. It should of been very clear, I would hope, that it was v1. If not, I can understand frustration 100%.
4. IF you wanted to instead put your $$ towards v2 rather than v1 and the product information around this not helpful when you purchased:
* If you got it from Lurkio direct, I am sure Simon will sort you out - he's a good egg.
* If it was from one of his resellers, he can help sort that out too.
* May I suggest, drop him a message (through the Inbox feature here, or via facebook Mortem et Gloriam page) and take it off line and then post back here when its resolved - I find you get more traction when folks are given a chance to sort it out direct rather than litigated on a public space.
* Maybe go grab an image of your invoice paid, company and date to send to Simon to help with the conversation. I bought mine 3 years ago aso las I cannot trade my v1 in hehehe but if you got yours a month or so ago, that sounds absolutely like you should have a good case to either keep what you have and update it (as planned) or swap it for v2 and pay the difference.
Best wishes.
Really is a good group here, and Simon has been stellar to connect with at all times.
Best of luck, let us know how you go.
Cheers,
Dru
Worry not running horse and welcome to the purple world of Mortem et Gloriam where community is everything.
As the Compendium was approaching I took the remaining boxes of Mortem et Gloriam vs1 and made them available at 60% off their original price 6 months before the compendium launch event, precisely so nobody felt the way you are feeling. But to keep the option for people to get started with Mortem et Gloriam in a bargain way, or to carry on using their vs1.
So it's intended to be a win-win to have Mortem et Gloriam 1 and Mortem et Gloriam compendium as options as it is shown.
Thank you for bringing it up, as I can see on the web we haven't altered the materials after the compendium launch, and they look too similar even though they are correctly set up as Mortem et Gloriam 1 and Mortem et Gloriam Compendium. I'm getting the changed so that its impossible to mistake the two by using the image of the box set for it which as you know is white. Many thanks as I don't want anyone picking the wrong one and and getting frustrated, as may be the case with yourself.
To sort out for you, its a question for you and happy to help ...
1. v1 is 100% complete as a game and quite close to vs 2. So if you want to try the concepts with friends it is all you need even without any updates. It has been updated year-on-year with a few changes, the only really material one if playing for fun is the the break points moved to <1/2 rather than <+ half. There is a full set of clarries and a few errata corrections on the website, so if you download those you are up to date. It's on my job list to compile the annual update into one so you have all the changes together in once document. Play those and you are playing vs2 using vs1. So save 30GBP to get going.
2. The compendium is a much richer product and has all the errata folded in so will have a short errata list. Its a 240page hard back full of diagrams and photos and has extra campaign rules etc. It also has Pacto and Magna built into it. So it is a much much nicer production. The box set also has the new CCC system which blends into our battle mats for the best look. But it's a 50GBP investment. If you are going to be playing in a wider community then it is the best options for sure. It is definitely worth it.
So it is entirely up to you. Sp have another look and if you prefer to get the Compendium Box set I'll refund you whole 20GBP against it at www.Lurkio.co.uk AND you can keep the vs1 you have as a thank you for pointing out the confusion that needed sorting. Or just keep vs1 in the knowledge it is quite useable and a bargain way to get started.Most of all enjoy it and the community. The rules are set for years now and have been heavily optimised. So what we all want now is build a large happy international community. It always been about fun and community not money.
Simon
PS To echo Dru ....
QuoteI think the ease of it (no adding errata) and the pretty look and feel is why it was suggested you get it, by someone in this thread. Take it as it was intended. The community is wonderful here.
Gilles is great chap but his natural language is French. As we are very international we all have to cope with a few nuances in communication.
I would like to add to what Simon said. I live in the states and bought v1 a couple of years ago. I ran one game at home with buddies and convinced one person to buy a copy of rules. I also ran one game at a convention. Since then my gaming group hasn't been getting together much and covid put a stop to everything. I'm playing v1 in solitaire sessions in my basement.
I'm happy with v1 because: 1) I don't see the impact of the tweaks that have been made (they look small to me), 2) I like my binder with my sheet protectors, 3) the latest QRS is really all you need to play the game. Point 3 is the most important. The QRS really is the rules and the rulebook (or binder) is just an elaborate explanation of the QRS.
V1 really is good.
Once my gaming group jumps back into gaming regularly, I'm sure someone in the group will buy v2. At that point, I probably will too. Until then, I'm a v1 man.
Quote from: sppenn on July 08, 2020, 11:45:10 AM
I would like to add to what Simon said. I live in the states and bought v1 a couple of years ago. I ran one game at home with buddies and convinced one person to buy a copy of rules. I also ran one game at a convention. Since then my gaming group hasn't been getting together much and covid put a stop to everything. I'm playing v1 in solitaire sessions in my basement.
I'm happy with v1 because: 1) I don't see the impact of the tweaks that have been made (they look small to me), 2) I like my binder with my sheet protectors, 3) the latest QRS is really all you need to play the game. Point 3 is the most important. The QRS really is the rules and the rulebook (or binder) is just an elaborate explanation of the QRS.
V1 really is good.
Once my gaming group jumps back into gaming regularly, I'm sure someone in the group will buy v2. At that point, I probably will too. Until then, I'm a v1 man.
Lovely to hear one both counts.
v1 always was really good, which is why it took off.
vs2 if just 9/10 plus some extras from 9.5/10 as rules, but 6/10 to 9.5/10 in packaging.
It is very very lovely now. Very proud of both.
S
Hi all and especially Simon,
Thanks for the responses.
My group plays alot of different ancients games, I won't mention them all but I own 4 sets of rules already.
During a discussion MeG was brought up before lock down as another, so I looked at this as an option, I can't say it will take off at the club and didn't wish to spend the full amount on the compendium box set especially when the Lurkio shop had starter set, I know starter sets wouldn't include everything but thought I'll take the plunge and try and introduce it to the club.
I'll keep the set I have and see what happens once the club starts back up again, once a full errata is done I'll grab a copy of that, I also found a pdf to convert full MeG to magna which you did Simon. If this takes off I could look at purchasing a copy of just the V2 rules, I assume the cards and dice have remained the same.
Many thanks,
Dan
Hi Dan,
yeah cards and dice are the same. (Getting the v1 on sale is a REALLY good deal).
Only difference is the cards have a green/terrain backing now to blend in, rather than the purple backing. I am not sure which I prefer to be honest, but it could be my eye sight ha!
Cheers
Dru
A few people had said the purple logo cards and the folders are heading for collectors items. ;)
Great we have ti sorted Dan. Its taking of all over the place now so I hope you find it fun and get some traction.
Si
Looking forward to the update sheet and delighted to know my purple cards are potential heirlooms :).
Meanwhile, can someone direct me to good painting references for Goths and Late Romans.
What standard and cost per figure are you looking for.
I know several and some as Lurkio.
For the Plastics or metals?
Si
I am flirting with the idea of ultracast pacto goths vs romans and just need some painting ideas.
Roman shields here - http://lukeuedasarson.com/NotitiaPatterns.html
Or just buy the transfers from LBMS - https://www.littlebigmenstudios.com/product-category/15mm-transfers/khurrasan-miniatures/late-roman-khurrasan-miniatures/
Other than that for Romans just searching Google Images should bring you plenty of inspiration if you search for Late Roman soldier or some such.
Probably the same for Goths - there isn't really anything much from the historical record so doing what looks right to you should be fine although they probably didn't look much different from the Romans other than less armour.
Great thank you! :)
Quote from: Simon Meg-Meister on July 08, 2020, 10:37:22 AM
It's on my job list to compile the annual update into one so you have all the changes together in once document. Play those and you are playing vs2 using vs1.
Hey Si,
This came up from someone else in FB forum. Would be good if that compiled one-stop-shop document for v1 to v2 upgrade was avail to point people to. Any news?
Cheers,
Dru
I am part way through doing it.
Not quite as easy as I thought but be done by end of week.
S
Pinned in a post above.
We want all version1 players to come onto the forum ideally.
So best on here I think.
https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1373.0 (https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1373.0)
Si
Si, also added the forum link to the Facebook welcome page
Dru
Top man!
waiting for next update :0
All done.
And nice to find only 8 correction needed to the 240 page Compendium too. Most of those for the competition pros too.
S