Hello,
Had a situation today. It's probably been asked in the old forum but couldn't find anything.
The blue TUGs are on the same side. The light blue and green TUG are in melee from the previous turn. The dark blue one charges, with a slight wheel. It's not eligible for a flank charge.
If the dark blue TUG hits the front edge of the front base of the green TUG, it fights even though the front edge already has one base fighting it (from the previous turn), correct? Assuming no aligns, in melee the blue player can choose which of the bases, light blue or dark blue fight, and if dark blue, the other dark blue will be an overlap?
It's possible to wheel so that both of the dark blue bases hit the sides of the green TUG, one hitting each rank. How does the charge combat get resolved, both count as fighting frontally? In melee the dark blue can't align because that would make a frontal contact into a flank contact, which is banned in the clarifications? So it continues to fight two frontal combats?
Thanks,
Craig
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Charge : all fights will be frontal
Now when resolving combat you will fight frontally the 3 front rank bases contacted + if contacted the rear green base all frontal . Now I am uncertain for the rear green base , will it fight with full factors if it needs 2 rank deep. I will have to search the forum but the answer seems yes but need confirmation.
So 4 charging bases will fight 4 defending bases ( no overlap during the charge phase ) . So you might have 2 light blue bases fighting 2 green bases + 2 dark blue bases fighting 2 green bases or 3 light blue fighting 3 green and 1 dark blue fighting 1 green . I hope I am clear enough.
Melee phase : the dark blue unit will align along the light blue unit and fight as an overlap . If it does not align it will anyway fight as if aligned so as overlap . Why : because it is not a flank charge !
By the way you can find a diagram for a similar situation in the document 2019 Clarries that you can download from the site.
I looked at the diagram in the claries as well. Problem is, it is an example of when one base contacts to front and two bases to the side. I see that conforming would make the flank bases have to fight as overlap. However, you are not forced to conformed so in that example I would think that one base would fight to front and the others to flank - in melee. I also think that if all bases contact to flank but did not start behind then they do not get the flank bonus in charge but would in subsequent melee.
Can someone explain what the approved outcome is to a muppet like me. Confused.
IMO you just have to remember : if you do not conform, you fight as if you conformed
So you may choose to stay as you are, but your opponent may also choose to conform ( if he can ) and in the end, you will have bases that fight frontally and the others as overlap .
Conforming is a way to "tidy" the table and have nice and neat situations
What Jacques said....
You only get a flank melee later if you wheel into the flank which you may be able to do - there is a daig in the rules for that.
Until then it is a frontal contact and remains so in melee - whether you choose to align or not.
Si
That's cool and I appreciate the intent Simon. However, there is nothing anywhere in the Claire's or rules that states that you cannot claim flank/rear melee bonus after the charge is done. It all mentions the charge. Sure, you can't align from front to flank but there is no reason you have to align at all.
Either a specific instance in the Claire's is required or a simple statement in the rules which makes it clear you cannot claim flank/rear bonus in melee unless you could during the charge OR you have wheeled into flank contact of an existing combat as in the diagram you mentioned.
What bonuses in the melee phase, if any, does the base marked B in the diagram on the bottom of p 72? The one below it has a legit flank charge, B doesn't.
If it doesn't get a 'fighting flank' bonus because it wasn't a valid flank charge, then this seems to be an unusual situation compared to p80, where the Roman legionaries wheel to make a flank contact. It would mean the non valid flank charge never gets to fight as a flank, whereas someone wheeling does.
I'll have to take a look at that. Travelling and hectic sorting lurkio and WW2.
So probably next week.
Si
You fight as if aigned.
I aligned they would be a supporting file.
So they become this.
And THEN can turn into the flank tog et the bonus.
Si