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Author's Section => Rules Queries and Clarifications => Topic started by: DracoStandard on December 27, 2019, 07:34:09 PM

Title: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: DracoStandard on December 27, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
from this afternoon...

Blue 4 of cav (now facing 7 O clock) have moved across the front of the  5 of Cav (facing 2 Oclock ish), avoiding the zone of control until wheeling at the corner of the 5, ready to charge the rear of the infantry facing 10 O clock

As the blues have the initiative, there is nothing the (exceptional!) cav can do to stop the 4 hitting the rear of the infantry...too close to intercept etc.

Is this as intended?  Does anything in the new wording about flank/rear charges help? (straws, clutching etc)

(they got away with it in the end as the 2 black dice from the persians slowed the blues enough to prevent them hitting the immortals)

Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 27, 2019, 07:52:17 PM
Wasn't there a pic to go with this?
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: DracoStandard on December 27, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
oops

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Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: mad lemmey on December 27, 2019, 09:13:20 PM
Don't they start in a doc?
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 27, 2019, 09:19:24 PM
ZOC doesn't apply in the charge phase.
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: mad lemmey on December 27, 2019, 09:44:16 PM
The palliass of the infantry is fair game then.
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: DracoStandard on December 27, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
The question is not really are the infantry in trouble, but more... should the infantry be in trouble
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: lionheartrjc on December 28, 2019, 07:21:20 AM
Quote from: DracoStandard on December 27, 2019, 07:34:09 PM
from this afternoon...

Blue 4 of cav (now facing 7 O clock) have moved across the front of the  5 of Cav (facing 2 Oclock ish), avoiding the zone of control until wheeling at the corner of the 5, ready to charge the rear of the infantry facing 10 O clock

As the blues have the initiative, there is nothing the (exceptional!) cav can do to stop the 4 hitting the rear of the infantry...too close to intercept etc.

Is this as intended?  Does anything in the new wording about flank/rear charges help? (straws, clutching etc)

(they got away with it in the end as the 2 black dice from the persians slowed the blues enough to prevent them hitting the immortals)

Once you reach this situation, then no.   Clearly, for the player with the 5 cavalry, it is how to avoid ending up in this situation in the first place.  This is the skill involved in the command and control system, whether I move first to pin you or you move first and I can react to it.

Richard
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: Simon Meg-Meister on December 28, 2019, 08:36:37 AM
QuoteBlue 4 of cav (now facing 7 O clock) have moved across the front of the  5 of Cav (facing 2 Oclock ish), avoiding the zone of control until wheeling at the corner of the 5, ready to charge the rear of the infantry facing 10 O clock

As the blues have the initiative, there is nothing the (exceptional!) cav can do to stop the 4 hitting the rear of the infantry...too close to intercept etc.

Is this as intended?  Does anything in the new wording about flank/rear charges help? (straws, clutching etc)

(they got away with it in the end as the 2 black dice from the persians slowed the blues enough to prevent them hitting the immortals)

Seems fine to me.

Do you mean Blue has initiative next move .... or the 5 cav would simply charge them.

Otherwise the 5 Cav TuG has made a move without thinking enough about protecting the rear of the immortals.
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: nikgaukroger on December 28, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
Yes the blue cav had initiative in the next turn and so could charge before the 5 (Exceptional) cavalry ;D
Title: Re: charge oddity or possibly as intended
Post by: DracoStandard on December 28, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
no problem, it just looked a bit odd

my mistake was that the zoc does not prevent the blue cav from riding along the front of the line, then wheeling on the corner. I just assumed plonking a line of cavalry in between the two would do the job. 

To be fair to me...it was a 10 BW journey for the blue cav to catch the immortals, which is a hell of a long way and very easy to misestimate on the other side of the table.   Twice.